🎬💥 'GoldenEye' Unleashed: Brosnan's Debut, Gadgets Galore & Bond's Best! - Tailoring Talk's Ultimate Bondathon Review 🍸

Episode 132:  🎬🍸 Dive into the heart-stopping excitement of 1995's iconic James Bond adventure, "GoldenEye," with your spirited hosts and our terrific trio of guests, Mark, Alex and Jon from the Play Pause Turn podcast! 

We're hitting the ignition on a nostalgia-packed journey, welcoming Pierce Brosnan into the legendary role of 007 with open arms and sharp insights.

🌟 Prepare to be captivated as we leap into the film's stunning opening with that jaw-dropping bungee jump stunt – a true pulse-racer! We're not just reminiscing; we're dissecting the clever 90s flair, marveling over the polished CGI, and exploring the groundbreaking fusion of film and video game realms.

🔍 Uncover the secrets behind the sleek technology, laugh with us at the delightfully absurd gadgets, and revel in the groundbreaking portrayal of Judi Dench as M. Our discussion twists and turns through the film's most iconic scenes, quippy dialogues, and those magical cinematic moments that solidify "GoldenEye" in the Bond hall of fame.

🎵 As our Bondathon reaches its climax, we dive deep into the soul-stirring theme song, dissect the charisma of the unforgettable villain, and celebrate the enduring impact and legacy of this Bond masterpiece. Hear our personal ratings and unique takes on why "GoldenEye" isn't just a movie – it's a cultural phenomenon.

💥 This episode is more than just a chat; it's an immersive Bond experience packed with laughter, debates, and a deep appreciation for cinema. Tune in for a whirlwind of action, analysis, and the finest Bond banter. "GoldenEye" isn't just viewed; it's experienced – and we're bringing that experience right to your ears! 🌟

👉 Don't miss out on this explosive episode of the Tailoring Talk Podcast – where the world of James Bond comes alive! 🎧💫

Enjoy!

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:05

U S. You're attacking someone else. No more foreplay. James Bond, james Bond.

Speaker 3: 1:42

Hello tailoring talkers, it's time for the Bondathon. For those of you joining us for the first time. My friends and I are watching the entire James Bond movie series, from beginning to end, one movie at a time. Some of us have seen them all. Some of us have seen some of these movies for the very first time. We deep dive into each film, covering everything from our overall review to the plot, close gadgets cast behind the scenes, stories and our favourite moments. If you haven't already, please help the show by subscribing and leaving us a rating and review. If you're listening at Allows, step back into the tailoring talk time machine as we head to 1995.

Speaker 3: 2:21

After a six year wait due to the takeover of MGM and United Artists in 1990, which resulted in a lengthy legal battle as Cubby fought for the film rights and authenticity of Bond past, present and future, a new Bond movie was finally green lit with a new Bond. Dalton's tenure was cut short before he could fulfil his three picture Commitment and Pierce Brosnan entered finally to take over the mantle of our favourite MI6 agent. Yes, it's time finally for GoldenEye. And have I got a treat for you, as we welcome a new co-host for this era of a new Bond First up, though. It wouldn't be a Bondathon episode without the golden tones of the most alluring, sultry, captivating voice in podcasting. It's John Evans from the Play Paul's Turn podcast. John, how are you? Oh for God's sake, come on, give them a listen to what they want.

Speaker 4: 3:29

I'm sorry. Yes, hello everybody. It is GoldenEye, the very, very final Bond movie which by Albert Broccoli, before he passed on to shift his model coil. So we should be honoured that we're finally got here.

Speaker 3: 3:41

Yeah, that's right. Also, from Play Paul's Turn, it's the gadget guru with the heart of gold, the voice of reason and quietly competent, just like his new Polestar EV. It's Alex Hansford. Alex, how are you?

Speaker 5: 3:58

Oh, thanks, Bobby. That's a good intro. I like that.

Speaker 3: 4:00

I really like the idea of being quite competent yeah you can clap, let's clap, let's clap. Alex, yay, quite a new Bondathon.

Speaker 5: 4:09

Very quiet. Well done, Alex Gold star. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3: 4:12

We'll get you a tailoring talk. Slash Play Paul's Turn. Mashup of a medal in the post.

Speaker 5: 4:19

I think we need merch, I think we may be merch?

Speaker 2: 4:23

Yeah, actually we could do. I think we want to buy it.

Speaker 5: 4:25

It's time, oh we'll buy it.

Speaker 4: 4:27

It's fine. Who do we know that can make clothes for us?

Speaker 5: 4:31

Those are expensive clothes.

Speaker 1: 4:34

No one brings to mind no one at all.

Speaker 3: 4:37

Oh, for God's sake, right, fine, on that note. Finally, he just ruined everything that I planned. It's been a long time threatened, I mean coming. He was meant to make his Bondathon debut for the Living Daylights. It didn't happen. He teased us with a commitment to join, for license to kill, but alas, was a no show again, he's unable to keep his mouth shut. So just be prepared for the next couple of hours because he will interject, he will object, he will argue, but we love him so, so much and we are so, so pleased to have him finally here. Yes, our other Play Paul's Turn. Cohost. It's the man who has a license to spill after just two points. That is local. A big, big welcome to the Homester, mark Homes. Mark, how are you?

Speaker 1: 5:31

Good evening, my friend. How are you doing you? Well?

Speaker 3: 5:34

I'm, yeah, I'm amazing, I'm here with you guys.

Speaker 1: 5:37

What an intro. Look at that. What more could a man?

Speaker 3: 5:38

want.

Speaker 1: 5:40

I know I've got a lot to live up to now after that intro, but I will endeavour to do my best.

Speaker 3: 5:44

Exactly. The world is not enough. I will take the Play Paul's Turn crew in its stead. Before we get started, we need to get our spoiler alert in and, in consideration of the environment, I'll keep recycling this one. We will be spoiling the living daylights out of this movie. So if you haven't seen GoldenEye.

Speaker 3: 6:01

Hit pause, go see the movie and rejoin us after. Right, we're going to have a little icebreaker to start things off, also to celebrate Mark being here, so sparring one of the things that we like to do on Play Paul's Turn, so I can't remember what my icebreaker was.

Speaker 4: 6:21

Okay so let's look it up In the world of late night infomercials.

Speaker 3: 6:25

Oh yes, Okay, if you had to choose an absurd gadget from a late night commercial to replace all of Bond's high-tech equipment in GoldenEye, what would it be and how would it help him save the world? And we're going to go to Mark first, because Mark is a tailoring talk virgin.

Speaker 1: 6:45

Mark. Well, I got this a bit late, but I did a bit of reconnaissance on the internet early on today and I'm going with the body shaper and I'll just describe what it is. The body shaper is from men and women too lazy to actually do the work. When it takes an a flat stomach, this product creates the illusion of physical fitness while letting you keep your gut. So I think this would be a very good tool for Bond because he could use it to confuse some of the villains, because most of the villains he actually fights are actually a bit overweight. Think about it. You know, odd job blowfeld. You know he could use it to distract them and he can help someone blow while someone blows Bond. So I thought that would be a double on Trandre there.

Speaker 4: 7:44

This is famously fat and chubby Bond. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:46

Yes, exactly, roger Moore perhaps wasn't quite the most peak of his powers in there After probably the end of the 70s. Roger Moore probably put a bit on blessing and he didn't look like a bit of a super spy in Living that Die. Unfortunately, no Living that Die, I mean to kill, sorry. He looks a bit a bit past it then. So I think the sucker would be good for Bond.

Speaker 3: 8:12

Also, I'd just like to apologize to our audience well in advance that if you're seeing an explicit rating on this episode, it is because Mark's here. Basically, sorry To be fair, he didn't get the memo about us trying to keep a clean rating and our run of nearly 16, 17 clean ratings has just pretty much gone out the window.

Speaker 1: 8:35

But yeah, one is like no, no, it's fine.

Speaker 3: 8:38

We've had enough from you, alex. Let's just go the opposite end to someone who I know is going to keep it clean, alex.

Speaker 5: 8:47

So I think the perfect gadget for Bond would actually be the Trilby hat from Inspector Gadget. I think it would be a perfect because it only do you have the ability to read a map the right way around. Use a magnifying glass, you have an articulating finger, which and hand, which no one seems to question. But the plus side it also doubles as transportation as well, and it's the helicopter. So if he'd have had that, he would have been able to catch on a top in the old nine. So I think it would have been a useful addition.

Speaker 3: 9:28

Yeah, I haven't seen one of those on any late night advertising of products, though, alex.

Speaker 5: 9:34

I could write some, some stuff on that. I think I could do. It Did. Let me find some cheese, cheesy, cheesy slogans to think about.

Speaker 3: 9:45

Okay, yeah, sure Did. That hat also have a can opener in it.

Speaker 5: 9:50

Oh, I had everything, yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely had a kid open hat also had a finger phone Very important, I think this really would have I get really really shape of a phone, just for people listening, just like it would have really up the game of of bond that we just haven't, we just haven't had so far, so sorry, when you said gadget, that's where I went to. So yeah, yeah not very, not very like late night, but but yeah, that's when you said gadget the Alex gets quite early.

Speaker 4: 10:23

super Bobby's the problem.

Speaker 3: 10:25

here's much easier programs, yeah, that's true, whereas whereas, whereas top left corner mark, every single time Alex says the word finger, my blood pressure goes through the roof, john.

Speaker 4: 10:37

Well, see, I used to be a massive fan of the innovations catalog. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah, oh, it also came in, yeah, yeah, and it used to have loads of gadgets in it.

Speaker 4: 10:48

Yeah. So I go back to the printed form of these observed gadgets, and there's one thing you can get from these innovations catalogs and from TV programs is almost ubiquitous, to the point. It's now. So you can get Amazon as well. And when I say, you all know what it is, and that is the snuggie. Sometimes it's called a slank it. My theory is right. Instead of a tuxedo bond, where is a snuggie? Perfect for those cold nights in Russia, and what asked? It might not offer much in terms of armor protection. It's loose, fitting design could conceal other gadgets like the hat and the whatever Mark said and right, his best bit born could then blend in at any sleepover. So that's my gadget for you.

Speaker 3: 11:34

Yeah, good one, that was my first choice.

Speaker 4: 11:36

I didn't think about the sticky buddy as well. Remember, the sticky buddy is that roll, block a, pick up all the dust off your suits. Okay, so I thought you'd like roll over the villains faces and things or use it as a quick disguise for the hair. That was like but the snuggie was my first thought. Cool.

Speaker 3: 11:50

These are already time gadgets. So normally, as listeners know, I basically am very cruel. I let you guys go and then I don't actually have one myself, but I do have one. So for me it would be the George Foreman grill, for a couple of reasons. Number one bonds could actually kill people quite violently by slamming their face in the grill. But then he could come up with some really good quips like I gave him a good grilling or that teaches him for getting up in my grill. Very good yeah.

Speaker 4: 12:25

Very much more.

Speaker 3: 12:26

There we go, and, by the way, I will get, I've got, I've got a half bottle of shut, enough to pack that I did not want to go to waste, and so I might get progressively tipsy as this episode goes on.

Speaker 4: 12:41

But it's really good. Very nice. I wish I could.

Speaker 3: 12:46

I wish I could send some to you.

Speaker 4: 12:48

Are you sitting next to a casino table there? Bobby looks like you are. If you think I'm a lady in black and gold, a draped of your shoulder as well.

Speaker 3: 13:00

Well, oh my God, is there a ghost?

Speaker 1: 13:03

It's always.

Speaker 3: 13:04

Halloween. I know, it was Halloween yesterday, it's still.

Speaker 5: 13:07

Halloween. Going back to the slank it for a second, I think that Bond needs his own one moment from one division, one in Madison you need. You need him sitting and watching Sopranos or something. I think that was like that would just be. Yeah in a second, yeah, absolutely, and I think that would crack me up. I just I'd lose it if Craig was just like curled up watching Gogglebox or something with.

Speaker 4: 13:35

Oh, we better watching the born born supremacy and getting some tips from Jason. I'll be a run, like wouldn't it?

Speaker 5: 13:41

It's not bad, but it's got to be trash. It can't be like instructive, so you maybe maybe just like the romance moments or something that would. Anyway, sorry, that's just.

Speaker 3: 13:50

Thank you so much, guys, and thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of Tainanine talk we will be back to review tonight. I've got one. That's it now. Enough of this. I wish I hadn't asked this bloody icebreaker is going on it. Oh, before we move on, I just want to clarify for listeners that Mark says that he was reading it off the Internet, but he was really reading off the back of the box because he just had it delivered this morning for Amazon. It's amazing.

Speaker 1: 14:16

Now, same day, incredible.

Speaker 3: 14:19

Goldeneye Goldeneye, goldeneye, goldeneye 1995. 17th in the James Bond series produced by E on, the first to star pierced star pierced Brosnan as our favorite MI six agent James Bond, directed by Martin Campbell. It's the first film in the series not to make use of any story elements from any of in Fleming's work, so they were sort of kind of on their own with this one in departing from the source material. First James Bond film not produced by Albert or Cubby Broccoli as we'd lovingly know him. He stepped down from E on and was replaced by his daughter, barbara, along with Michael G Wilson. Cubby remained involved as consultant producer and, as john mentioned at the start, it was sadly his final project before he died in 1996. Story was written and conceived by Michael France, later collaboration by other writers and actually I was reading up on on the on sort of. You know, as usual, where the story started and where it ended up. A two, very, very different places.

Speaker 4: 15:33

I didn't have to rewrite it because it was like it was the same plot as true lies.

Speaker 3: 15:39

I don't know.

Speaker 4: 15:39

I think you're right, it was very similar and it rewriting the do a rewrite because it was almost the same plot as true lies.

Speaker 3: 15:47

Okay, well then we'll come on to that stuff In the in the film bond bond flights to prevent a rogue ex MI six agent, played by Sean Bean, from using a satellite weapon against London to cause a global financial meltdown. Now usually the first question is was this your first time? But I know down well, for all four of us it isn't. Oh, oh, oh, oh, hang on. Oh, was that my? That's me. Have you never seen gold night before?

Speaker 1: 16:19

No, no, no, no. This was my first golden night in the cinema. What?

Speaker 3: 16:25

No, no, no, no Was this your first time seeing this film as you come on to this podcast. No I certainly come out 20 of the. Okay, well, so the answer is no, isn't it Right?

Speaker 4: 16:36

Sorry, I was just going to but you're fair to market was re released in cinema recently, wasn't it?

Speaker 1: 16:42

Well, was it?

Speaker 4: 16:43

I missed that, but they all know, but you just said it was the first one. You see it in cinema.

Speaker 3: 16:47

Yes, it was, but he means when he was a kid. Well, it's a kid, sorry.

Speaker 1: 16:52

What's a kid?

Speaker 4: 16:53

I'm a bit confused now.

Speaker 1: 16:54

Sorry, when I was a teenager.

Speaker 4: 16:57

Oh, it's the first one you see. All right, okay, okay, right.

Speaker 3: 17:00

So Mark said to be fair to Mark because he's he's new to all of this. Now I mean, you would think that he'd never been on an entertainment film review podcast in his life, the, the. In fact, actually, I'm only really technically here because of Mark, because Mark got me onto your guys podcast originally and, yeah, I met and that was Shazam. That was that was my break, busting my breaking my cherry whatever podcasting cherry when it was still tangents. Yes.

Speaker 3: 17:34

Anyway, sorry, we're going off on the tangent now. We are Tangents forever. John looks so confused, right. So Mark this this question was more relevant prior to GoldenEye because, especially during the Connery era, for example, like I'd never seen any of those films ever oh, I see.

Speaker 3: 17:56

So, that's why we asked was this your first time? Because there will be some like Phil, for example, there were films that he just even Roger Moore films that Phil had never, ever seen before, and so this was our first time seeing them and we watched them because we were going to be reviewing them on the pod. So yeah, but, mark, like you, goldeneye was the first Bond movie that I saw in the cinema. I was about 18 years old at the time, totally got in with all the hype and having previously I was not interested in adult movies whatsoever because at that time, sort of early secondary school years, you were more interested in trying to get bootleg copies of Predator and bad movies like the Exorcist and so on on VHS tape like some mate.

Speaker 4: 18:44

Exorcist is not a bad movie. It's a very good movie. The Exorcist is a very good movie.

Speaker 3: 18:50

Oh yeah, yeah it is, but we're not here to talk about that one. So it was the first movie that I saw in the cinema and I remember kind of sneaking out I had a part time job at the time and I remember sneaking out to go to the view cinema that was down the road and watch it there. It was the first film that I ever bought on DVD, when DVDs were like 25, 30 quid and they came in dual cases. Do you remember?

Speaker 3: 19:18

Yeah, my first film on DVD Mark. So, goldeneye, you're what? 17, 18 at the time, cool, 16. 16. Yeah, go to see it in the cinema. First impressions. Don't give your overall review, don't give any spoilers or anything, but generally, what was it about GoldenEye that either did it or didn't do it for you?

Speaker 1: 19:48

I remember seeing the trailer for it and it had that amazing trading music in it which I need to get the name of because I want to talk about it later on and, to be honest, it just looked really good. I took the trailer for another film and it had been hooked. I went in expecting like the usual sort of Bond film and it is very like a form-laked Bond film, but the clever thing about it is they do make it a bit more updated for him in the 90s as well. So I was very pleasantly surprised by it at the time. I thought it was cracking at the time and I still think it's definitely one of the top tier Bonds in all of the franchise. So, yeah, really enjoyed it when I saw it and still do now. I think it's a really, really good film.

Speaker 3: 20:34

John Alex. We're massive gamers, the three of us. Mark dabbles a little bit when he's got timey, but he's very busy. I'm very busy as well. I tend to do a lot of my gaming in the early hours of the morning. By the way, I still haven't played even though I got it on Early Access, I still haven't played Robocop, rogue City. So I'm going to do that after this. I know I'm going to do that after this. So, guys, for me it was that year. It was all about the Nintendo 64 and it was all about Goldeneye, the game. I remember so many late nights and then you'd have sleepovers at friends' houses and you'd be playing the multiplayer as well, and there'd always be one of your friends that was really irritating because he'd pick Scaramanga. And was it Scaramanga, christopher Lee's character in the man? With the.

Speaker 1: 21:26

Jordan Down.

Speaker 3: 21:27

Yeah, the one shot thing and you end up throwing your controller at that person's head. Or maybe that was just me, but for me it was all of that. It was the first Bond movie to use CGI. It was the first Bond movie to have a proper games high-end as well. That was very faithful to the actual movie. But again, memories take you back to 1995, memories of Goldeneye, the first time you saw it, alex.

Speaker 5: 21:54

Yeah, I was at school so it was about yeah, it was just about the hype for it going to see it in the cinema, lots of talking about it. Afterwards I think it was my first sort of bond I could get into because I was at just about the right age and I think, and I was able to go and see it, so it became an event. And then the fact that there was the movie tie-in, which was absolutely epic and so a friend of mine had the N64 from launch and it just meant we went round there and spent lots of time just playing Goldeneye Not that you know now because I'm awful at it, but it was such good fun. I genuinely think it's probably the best Bond game that's been done. There's very little to improve on it because it's just the multiplayer aspect is so good it doesn't need to do anymore. You can quit now. You can finish playing games about Bond. That's all you need to know. But yeah, no, I loved it. Can I ask a?

Speaker 5: 23:12

quick question Sorry it's fine, we're prepared. Yeah, I know. You know we're not recording a podcast or anything, so it's fine. No, it's fine.

Speaker 3: 23:23

I'm definitely not going to be fine editing this one because it's going to take me the rest of my life.

Speaker 1: 23:27

Sorry, mark, I'm really sorry but maybe my memory is gone. I bought the N64 just to play Goldeneye, but did the game come?

Speaker 4: 23:40

out. It is off to us, Mark. Well, Goldeneye came out in 1997. It did, didn't it? It was out to us.

Speaker 1: 23:47

Sorry, okay, right, I'll stop talking, Sorry.

Speaker 4: 23:53

So this is where I started to show my age, because I was 22 then, I think, and I was running pubs at the time so I had very little spare time. I did go and see the film with some of my staff. We did a similar thing a few years later with the prequels stalls prequels as well. But I remember one of my customers who became quite a good friend, who used to install computer networks for spare buildings in London. He used to bring his N64 around the pub after hours. We have a lock-in and we hook up the N64 to a screen in the pub and we play both Goldeneye and Quake 2 because both of those were out in 1997 on the N64 and just many, many evenings with beers and Goldeneye and that was really good.

Speaker 4: 24:41

I remember one evening the guy my mate who brought it around. He was fiddling around with his contact lenses and then fainted and we were all carrying on playing and didn't realise that he hadn't actually worn his contact lenses that night. It was he had laser surgery and forgot that he had flaps on his eyeballs and he was pulling them off, thinking he had contact lenses. So don't drink, boys and girls, and play Goldeneye, because these things happen. It's a very clear memory because we all turned around from Goldeneye and realised that he was on the floor bleeding from his eyes. We thought, well, what's happened? But there you go.

Speaker 3: 25:15

I think back then because it was still the era where a film would come out in the cinema and it might be in the cinema for seven, eight, nine months, like films from the cinema for ages. These days it gets like a two, three week run, unless it's doing really, really well, and then it disappears again.

Speaker 4: 25:31

Goes to streaming.

Speaker 3: 25:32

Yeah, and then so, being in the cinema for a long time, then there'd be a bit of a wait and then it would come out for you to buy on VHS or DVD and so, yeah, exactly. So you've got like this kind of weird sort of year or two sort of thing, and if it was a film that really struck a chord with you and there was a lot of hype around it and stuff, it seemed to last a much longer period of time than that does nowadays.

Speaker 3: 25:57

Nowadays, everything's very, you know, the flame goes on and it flickers out very very quickly with stuff and we're on to the next thing very fast, don't forget.

Speaker 4: 26:05

Don't forget, bobby as well. The porn films would be the film to show on the BBC at Christmas. Yeah, so they probably showed it to, you know, two years running. It was also because you talk about buying the DVD, bobby.

Speaker 5: 26:17

It was the very first bond on DVD as well, so that's quite appropriate that you got it on DVD and it's worth saying, like for Gold and I, basically Gold and I came out of the N64 and then Tomorrow in a Vodais, came out pretty much like quite straight after. So it was very much like bond, bond, bond. But yeah, no, it was such a good game and I think the fact that you can bring that out like two years after a film and that no one bats an eyelid tells you how good it is Well thinking about my game dev face as well, alex.

Speaker 4: 26:53

we're in Asia now where a lot of the film companies in the system games being brought out day and, you know, on the same day as the film was that's right yeah. Maybe they spent some time polishing it and making sure it was actually a good game before releasing it, which is what you should be doing really. Yeah, so that's does that as well.

Speaker 3: 27:11

The movie did considerably better than the last couple of bond films. So it grossed over 350 million US, not adjusted for inflation, which was much, much better than both of Dalton's films. There were some doubts over it because there was that six year gap and there was a lot of talk about whether bond was still relevant for the 1990s. Now again, my memory of the 1990s and what was going on politically and so on is quite hazy. I mean, I think we were sort of coming to the end of the sort of then conservative era with John Major and so on. We just come through the Gulf War the first one and sort of heading towards, you know, the rise of Tony Blair, who then get elected a couple years later. We then all know the history behind that. But again, you know, I was 18 years old, I was a teenager, I'd just spent five years in a North Boy school and I was exposed to girls and stuff for the first time. Got that sounds, sounded really pretty weird.

Speaker 4: 28:13

So repressed, isn't he? Snap.

Speaker 3: 28:20

And yeah it. I don't know, it's the cinema, anything that was going on in the cinema. I mean that around that mid 90s phase you also had the very first Mission Impossible movie with Tom Cruise, which was amazing. I absolutely loved that movie. Arnie was sort of coming to the end of his heyday, you know, with movies like Eraser and True Lies. True Lies, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: 28:45

True Lies is a good film, oh, very yeah, but yeah it just I don't know it had such a big impact on me and I just love that so much. And then the game just sort of compounded that. I played the game recently because they've reissued it. They've done the rare reissue, haven't they?

Speaker 4: 29:05

on on this game, yeah.

Speaker 3: 29:07

Yeah, and Alex, it's really funny you saying you're really bad at it. I just had muscle memory. So 20, 20, 23 years or whatever, 25 years later, 25 years later, I pick up a controller, the game starts. I know exactly where all the baddies are. It's just my muscle memory. I'm literally headshotting these mother foes like left, right and center, dropping them like anything, raced all the way through to the train. Sequence got the omega rail, got through the hatch onto the next bit. You know I'll go back to that. I'll complete that game in a couple of hours, no problem.

Speaker 4: 29:43

I found it very fascinating, playing it will be, how different mechanics are to modern games as well and how far games are changed. It's very paired down, very pure in some respects, isn't?

Speaker 3: 29:53

it. It's good to get to play it. Yeah, extremely.

Speaker 5: 29:57

So we kind of need to talk about the film though, don't we?

Speaker 3: 30:00

Oh, yeah, yeah, we're not going to go deep into the plot and stuff, but I want to just pick out some standout moment, because the other thing as well is that this is the first film that we've had for a while where we talk. You know, when we talk about, we know we're going to talk about the girls, the gadgets, the plot, blah, blah, blah. It's been kind of hard to really do that cleanly with a lot of the previous films, but this one I don't know how you guys felt. I thought the plot was coherent. It was very straightforward. I knew exactly what the hell was going on and what it was about. There was no confusion there whatsoever.

Speaker 4: 30:36

But really, good motivations for the villain weren't there in this film as well.

Speaker 3: 30:40

Yes, yeah, extremely. So let's go to the beginning of the film and talk about that. Because Sean Bean, great actor. I feel so bad for him because he dies in everything he's in. I realized I said to Carolina about halfway through. I was like, wasn't he the Stark dad in Game of Thrones? He got his head cut off at the end of season one.

Speaker 4: 30:58

Yeah, he was, and he was, didn't he get? He got killed in all the rings as well, didn't he?

Speaker 3: 31:04

He's a bad egg in the group isn't he?

Speaker 4: 31:08

But in all the rings until the last moment.

Speaker 3: 31:10

Yeah, exactly. So we open the film. So firstly, gun barrel sequence, his presidents first, and he's wearing Brioni in this movie. Brioni have done all the suit design for him and so on. Very, very 1990s in the cut, because you know his big shoulders and big lapels and everything's quite loosely fitting and so on. But I still think Borodnan looked really, really good. So we open on that dam and then Bond is running along it and then he jumps off it that famous bungee jump sequence.

Speaker 5: 31:47

Classic, isn't it?

Speaker 3: 31:48

And it's absolutely brilliant. And I saw an interview with the guy who did the jump. Oh God, what was his name? Something.

Speaker 4: 31:59

David, someone David.

Speaker 3: 32:02

Can't remember his name, but anyway he was there.

Speaker 4: 32:05

Yeah, the guy who did it was also the helicopter pilot shot by Zina on the top. So what's his name though? Oh, God, I'll find out. You keep talking about.

Speaker 3: 32:15

He was saying he was saying that when it came time to do that, jump Wayne Michaels he said when it came time to do that jump and they had to do so much preparation because it was so high up and there was so much wind etc. That was going to affect the way that he fell and so on, and then just the weight on the end of the rope as well, the amount of pressure it put on his body. But he was saying that just before he jumped he saw a crane operator, an Italian crane operator, out of the corner of his eye and just before he jumped he saw this Italian crane operator do the mark of the crucifix and he said it's one image that he'll just never, ever forget. But yeah, I mean, what a way to open a Bond film, One of the quietest and most understated but I think, one of the most memorable of all time.

Speaker 4: 33:10

You know what? I've been rewatching the Mission Impossible movies again, all of them, and obviously I watched this in research to the podcast and it still strikes me that the stunts in this, especially the opening sequence, are as impactful and astounding as the more recent Mission Impossible movies. It kind of shows you how amazing it must have been at the time as well.

Speaker 3: 33:34

Yeah, carolina actually said it during the film. She said, watching a lot of those sequences she could see where this must have influenced a lot of what came after in Mission Impossible, the Bond movies and so on, which I thought was a very astute observation by my wife. I'm very, very proud of her.

Speaker 1: 33:54

But yeah, mark, yeah, I mean the opening scene. I think they, I think they knew because of the six years and because there was, because there wasn't a lot of. But when Brosnan got announced and stuff like that, there wasn't a lot of fans there at the time, people kind of like, oh you know, it's Bond after a while. But people were I don't think from my memory like that excited, I think, and I'm pretty sure that when they Was kind of promoting it and that the bungee jump was very prominent in the marketing of it and I think that was a really good hook, I think for that the audience as well. So it's absolutely iconic and bungee jumping that was a very 90s thing as well, that had just become really popular, bungee jumping as well. So they really tapped into saying that was quite culturally.

Speaker 1: 34:46

I like knew at the time. So I think when everyone saw that, it kind of got everyone into the movie. After that it looks amazing and I mean now It'd be CG, wouldn't it? So you know, but yeah, they did it, but yeah it is one of the best openings of along there with Ruggimore sort of skin, with the Union Jack flag, you know, sort of it's up there, with that sort of thing. It's absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 3: 35:11

Start yeah so that the the start of the film is actually 1986, nine years before present day and they're infiltrating the Soviet chemicals weapon facility which is called Archangel and I think Trevelyn has been Undercover there maybe but Bond goes to meet him and obviously the objective is to basically destroy the place.

Speaker 3: 35:33

Bond sets the timers for the place when they're just before they're caught, for what Trevelyn thinks is six minutes but it's actually three minutes.

Speaker 3: 35:42

Bond manages to escape Again one of the best Bond getting out of a hairy situation sequences in my book of all time and Trevelyn is killed, or so we think Again, just that, you know, following that opening quiet sort of set piece with the bungee jump and so on, they then follow it up with, again, a really thrilling action sequence. I mentioned at the start, this is the first Bond film to use CGI. I Think they did a really, really good job with the visual effects, because a lot of the I mean Maybe the space stuff was a little bit dodge with the satellite, but certainly the stuff that took place on planet Earth I thought was pretty seamless and there are only two moments where the stuntman you knew it wasn't Brosnan. But again, I thought they did a really good job of, you know, getting you Engrossed in the movie and not taking you out of it because it just looked like it was Brosnan through 99% of it.

Speaker 4: 36:49

I mean the pot. The polish in this film is what I think is what's what really stands out. And you mentioned the CGI, like, for instance, the the gun barrel sequence of the game the film is is. So the first time I've used that CGI for that rather than hand-drawn animation. But you know, it's a very polished looking film for its time I think, and that's why stand out has been a bit more epic and a bit more kind of Cinematic than previous Bond films.

Speaker 3: 37:12

Yeah.

Speaker 5: 37:13

It holds up, doesn't it?

Speaker 4: 37:15

Yeah.

Speaker 5: 37:16

Doesn't age. Yeah, I feel like they used it when it hurt, when it was needed, and but they didn't. I mean, there's always, there's always some bits that you go. Okay, I know, that's not.

Speaker 4: 37:30

A film coming up won't be Alex.

Speaker 5: 37:32

Yes, but this isn't that case. Yeah, we'll talk about the car.

Speaker 5: 37:38

Yeah, but but this is, this is. This is just a case where it's like where they knew where they had it. It added to things. It wasn't taking away, it was some. They used it for the To get the dish to come out of the lake, for example, because I couldn't find a lake and it was like, oh, I genuinely didn't notice that. I mean, it wasn't Wasn't that bad, but it was just. You know, you were engrossed in the film and you just don't think about the, the reality of it, whereas a lot of things nowadays they go over the top and then, and then you just kind of get, yeah, that's not real, like you didn't need to do that shot and and I feel it feel like a lot of it is. You know, oh, we need to use this, but we'll shoot it as if it's, as if it's a if it's, if it's a real shot, and that that's that's what I think makes it age so gracefully. So, yeah, no, it's great.

Speaker 3: 38:35

I also think the choice of director helps Martin Campbell. I didn't realize he's 80 years old now. Yeah, he was 62 when he directed this. He was the oldest or second oldest director of a Bond movie, I think the oldest actually in the series history, but he's, he's well. I mean, he's actually made some stinkers as well. I mean green ones, yes, green. I love golden eye and Casino Royale, his masterpieces of everything that hold on hold, on hold on.

Speaker 4: 39:09

You are forgetting a course Minder.

Speaker 3: 39:13

What did he directs? Episodes of binder.

Speaker 4: 39:17

Yeah, yeah yeah. So I got nice.

Speaker 3: 39:21

I never watched Minder, but I remember the song and the profession. That one isn't it yeah.

Speaker 4: 39:28

Did it do?

Speaker 3: 39:29

no, I think it's good for you. Know, I would do it for you.

Speaker 4: 39:32

Well, that's right, I'm thinking about the things, but we want to see you on the screen. It's all I can think of so you know, really, john, not here.

Speaker 5: 39:42

He also directed the Marshal Zorro, which is a very good oh okay, so some good with the with the bad, that's not bad yeah and he came back for the legend of Zorro and he also.

Speaker 3: 39:54

All right directed Pierce Brosnan again in 2017 with Jackie Chan in the foreigner. You haven't seen that film? Look it up. It's not it's not great. It's a good one, if you just anyway, sorry.

Speaker 5: 40:10

Times are hard. Sometimes you've just got to take the work. It's all experience, isn't?

Speaker 4: 40:14

it, it's all experience.

Speaker 3: 40:15

Yeah, let's talk. Let's talk about the cast, because there is a load to get through. Let's start with the main man, brosnan. I didn't know who he was before this film, apart from I'd heard of him because my mum was a big fan of Remington steel and she was, she fancied him. Basically, I Thought he did a great job. My opinion of Brosnan has always been he's he's one of my favorite bonds. He had a little bit of Dalton, he had a bit of Roger Moore, there was a bit of the hard edge of Sean Connery, and then he brought his own sort of you know, his own layer to it as well, and and that's why I thought he was a great bond, because he had all of those things. He's nice and tall, he's handsome, swarves, sophisticated, he's got that beautiful hair. Mike, big, big, big up. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 41:12

No, not really, he looks like yes. No, Mark, it's all about. Roger Moore needs a. Yeah, he's got a shape on anything.

Speaker 4: 41:21

Yes, yeah, that's how it is working, isn't it? Obviously, you can't tell yeah.

Speaker 3: 41:28

So, Brosnan was great. But now that I've seen Layzenby, what the interesting thing. I saw a snippet of an interview with Martin Campbell talking about Brosnan and Martin Campbell was saying you know, he's got a bit of a job on his hands, but you know, I think Brosnan's gonna do the role justice, etc. Etc. But you know, when you look at the three guys that have come before, say, even he completely forgot to mention George Layzenby because there's four guys before yeah, yeah, we don't count that. We didn't watch that casino right now, did we? We need to do that. We still need to do that Christmas special.

Speaker 3: 42:15

So let's do it, let's do a mini ranking. So so you know, you got Sean Connery, roger Moore, pierce Brosnan, layzenby and Dalton. So what all did the? Where does Brosnan fit into all of that? It's a really tricky one, I mean, for me. I'm now sort of with the purists that say Connery was the best and then I think it's quite close between More Dalton and Brosnan at all, for different reasons, but they were all. I think they were all pretty good.

Speaker 1: 42:48

So I don't know.

Speaker 3: 42:50

But like, what did you? What did you guys think of Brosnan? I'm just gonna open up and let you guys fight it out.

Speaker 5: 42:54

I Think he's my bond, just just like you know you have a doctor who for when you, when you go up, I think he's, he's my, he's my bond. I think then I'd probably go with Connery, but but yeah, no, he's, he's, he's. He's the bond that grew up with.

Speaker 4: 43:17

See, roger Moore's my bond, really. He's the one I kind of. My first memory of bomb was Roger Moore.

Speaker 1: 43:25

Yeah, see more, I'm a bit older than you, guys, I see yeah, see, more is probably More is definitely one that I saw the first time Then I think as a name, like I really like Dalton. I've always talked about Dalton before I was. I think he's criminally underrated spawn I. This is completely bit Swabish, but I don't really like comparing them because all right, they're playing the different character, but they're just completely different. So at periods as well, like I don't think you can compare sort sort of Connery in the 60s to like Brosnan 30 or years later and like Craig 40 years after that, I think you think it's more like they're almost like like the old them there's up to who?

Speaker 4: 44:12

Yeah, that's where, where each one has their own Unique qualities and we, we love them for their differences more than anything else.

Speaker 1: 44:19

You're like like a morse was more ton in cheek. I I'm a big fan of more like, really like more spawned, but but then I really like Connery's. I mean, there's not really a bond we?

Speaker 4: 44:29

just like those there. We love them all really.

Speaker 1: 44:33

You can't really say it's been a bad bond. Everyone talk about ladies and me, but it did one film he was. It wasn't that bad. But I don't really like comparing because I just think they're completely different times and I'm not comparing so I Just really like them all from on this review. I mean if I, if push comes to shove, I'll wait a Connery and more to do, but I think they were really good and I think Brosnan is excellent in the 90s version of it. I think he's. Three of his four films are really really good films as well. So yeah, I don't really like comparing him, but I think Brosnan's up there is. So there's a very, very strong bond. I think he's excellent.

Speaker 5: 45:08

Is it re? It revitalized the whole franchise, yeah, yeah, just like it was needed and it felt, really felt like it would become fresh and relevant again.

Speaker 1: 45:19

And the thing that did that for me. I'm gonna be going off to talk about him now, but I think Julie Dench is in. I don't know if we're gonna come on to that. I just want to talk about it now.

Speaker 3: 45:26

I don't know you, but like, yeah, we can, mark we can, because I yeah, you know we're on the car. So we started with Pierce let's, let's move three.

Speaker 1: 45:34

So we let's talk about Judy Dench, so Judy Dench was obviously the first female and and I think that she was Basically chosen because I think it was a female had recently become the head of MI5. It's Stella Remington, I think.

Speaker 1: 45:49

Had become the head of MI5, that's right in real life and I think that is. They kind of reflected that as well. But what's I mean, judy Dench is just, is wonderful anyway. But what's really good I think it's her opening scene with Bond is when he goes to see like, and that is just dynamite, because they really play on on the fact it's been six years.

Speaker 1: 46:11

It's different. You know, I like she calls you, know I think you're a sexist, monogamous dinosaur, a relic from the Cold War. You know what am I gonna do with you, sort of thing, like you know. And she think if you don't, you don't like me, bond, you think I'm an accountant, but if you think I'm, I'm not gonna send you to your death You're very much mistaken. She really grapples with him. Which with the other end, was it Bernad Lee? He was kind of like his best mate. These two were conflicting and Didn't really have that before in the relationship really between M and Bond, and I think she did. Then she did really Update it and she's wonderful anyway in that and subsequent films. So I think that is a big, big plus.

Speaker 4: 46:54

Do you think that the popularity of this, this, this film, and, as he said, the revitalization of franchise, do you think that had an influence on the other film that came out in 1997, austin Powers? Oh yeah, international man of Mystery, because that's not far after this first new Brosnan film. And I wonder, you know, people were just so excited for the Bond films and I think there are lots of really quite cool action films out. At the time In the 90s. They were a good decade for films, weren't they?

Speaker 1: 47:27

Fantastic, it fakes off as well.

Speaker 4: 47:29

Yeah, so yeah, I think bringing him Jude Dentres, a female M, was a real kind of bookmark. I was surprised. I completely forgot that she came in. I thought she came into the franchise later on than this, so this surprised me. When she appeared, I've forgotten it was the Brosnan years, so she lasted a long time, didn't she really?

Speaker 1: 47:49

Yeah, she was there. For what 95,000? 17 years. Yeah 17 years. She was there for yeah.

Speaker 5: 47:59

I think that's why it was such a big change when she went. I think it's almost like a Desmond Lleland moment where it's like changing of the guard, but this was her just coming in. That was what was so special about it. Really it's weird, but it's just because you see that with nostalgia now, but at the time it was fresh. It was a new change out with the old.

Speaker 4: 48:31

It was great. And then a new kind of dismissive into play between them and Bond, Whereas before it was just kind of slight disappointment. It was being a bit of a child and a bit of a silly boy to now being a bit of a misogynist, really isn't it?

Speaker 3: 48:45

Yeah, and him with my penny as well. Yeah, it couldn't be a boys club anymore. No because then was there, you know, you had Tanner, who you know was made some disparaging remark about her, and then she obviously steps in right behind them.

Speaker 1: 49:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Exactly, the Mothra kitchen is actually very good in this as well. He only has very small scenes, but Fred the Brosnan, he's very good as well.

Speaker 3: 49:10

Tanner, I like Mothra kitchens Fabulous actor Samantha Bond joins the cast as Money.

Speaker 4: 49:19

Penny.

Speaker 3: 49:21

My favourite Money Penny of them all. I yeah, I think she was such a strong character for such a minor role, but every single scene that Samantha Bond has been in through much of the Brosnan era, she's just Sean and her interplay with him absolutely brilliant, keeps him at arm's length.

Speaker 3: 49:44

You know just enough of that playfulness, but she's very firm with him. This is a bond. He was used to getting his own way with women, but in his environment, in the workplace, he's not able to and it's almost like then he becomes a bit of a child when he then gets out there into the world. But I thought you know Samantha Bond is a favourite for me. Desmond LeWanin returns Absolute legends, only surviving cast member from the very, very beginning.

Speaker 3: 50:15

Just every bit is charming. But I thought the dynamic between this bond and the previous ones was a little bit different because they were a little bit more playful with each other. I mean, this cue scene was my is my absolute favourite ever, ever, ever, ever. I just think it's brilliant. And there are so many things going on in the backgrounds that you know you don't want to take your eyes off these two actors because they are. Just the way they're playing together is just a joy to me, it's just a joy to watch, but you can't keep your eye off what is going on in the background of Q Branch while that's all going on.

Speaker 4: 50:54

It's all about boffing in the grey coats Brilliant.

Speaker 1: 50:58

Yeah, there's one guy gets off. He's in the BT payphone, isn't he? That's it. I think. It's like he expands and another guy flies off and then Q, I think, has got a. He's got his leg like six, isn't it?

Speaker 5: 51:13

He's got his leg in a cast which turns out to have a missile in it.

Speaker 1: 51:17

Oh, that's right.

Speaker 5: 51:18

It's Larry's. Yeah, bond.

Speaker 3: 51:22

While we're there, guys, ok, sorry, sorry this is Alex's bit. This is the gadget bit. Ok, Mark, Mark, you don't know this. So at some point. As soon as we start talking about Q gadgets, we then hand out, we cut the conversation, we hand over to Alex and Alex gives us his run through of all the gadgets in the movie. Alex, are you ready? I think.

Speaker 5: 51:43

I am. I think you're big eyes up more than it needed, but there were quite a few, I mean, I think the biggest one is the biggest toy is the gold knight itself, and particularly the key is amazing. I don't know why, but it looked like they had one of those track balls from from the 90s as well, to power the, the Logitech.

Speaker 3: 52:03

Do you remember the Logitech with the red ball in it?

Speaker 5: 52:05

That's exactly it, it totally has those, that's just fine. I don't know, I need to go and get one of those just to remind me why they should never existed, but anyway. So the key one was the Parker pen grenade, which wasn't at one point as well. Yeah, well, it is a plot point. Right Right the finale. Yeah.

Speaker 5: 52:28

So, yeah, so that's a key, that's a key one. And again, that's Parker pen. There is a lot of product placement in this film. You, just once you spot it, start spotting it. It's everywhere, with the BT phone box, the Amiga watches, bmw, yeah, the Seamaster Well, this is a Seamaster laser watch. So that that was the cut out of the train, didn't it? And obviously also disabled the mine, the mines that were set around. So, and that was another key Sean Bean moment. So that was, that was great.

Speaker 4: 53:05

You had the belt, that was a Peton that could have had so much, so much play, had 75 feet of like rope inside it and I know it's by the way, it's such a big point of saying it's only for one, and then it was actually only used for one person anyway.

Speaker 5: 53:23

So I was like, is that a nod or like I don't know Anyway? So there's that. There's the last we have. We've got the phone box X-ray document scanner. That was the interesting.

Speaker 4: 53:38

That's the tea tray, wasn't it?

Speaker 5: 53:40

Yeah, the tea tray. That's exactly it. You had the limpet mines, which obviously a key part of the game as well, so that's a good thing. There was just. There was just tons there's. Don't forget the Stinger missiles in the in the BMW as well, oh yeah. No, well, there was the missile in the, in the cast, but also the car, because that BMW is the first product placement for BMW. They did obviously later ones with.

Speaker 4: 54:11

They couldn't monitor windows.

Speaker 3: 54:13

It was my windows 3.1 screensaver.

Speaker 5: 54:18

But, but exactly, they couldn't do much in the car itself, so it looked it looked like a stock car, but they were like, oh no, we've put missiles in, it's fine.

Speaker 4: 54:27

It did amazing things for BMW, though the marketing of that was just amazing. I remember at the time like thinking my God, that car looks amazing, I really want one yeah and these days, because we just call the headrests car, don't we? There's a three, but at the time I get your look for Bobby, at the time everyone's like, oh, so cool, we all want that. It's like sci-fi cars Amazing. It was really good marketing for this.

Speaker 5: 54:51

This is it. And it was funny because obviously the film started with Aston Martin and then moved on to the BMW, and I don't, that was kind of intentional. It's like new again, new, new things. That's all I've got. I've got a digital monocular and I don't remember that.

Speaker 4: 55:10

Oh, wasn't he looking at across at from one building to another through something?

Speaker 5: 55:15

That's it. Yeah, I just I don't remember him talking about it. I think he must have just think, because he could film.

Speaker 4: 55:20

He could film in it and it would send the images to a satellite. I think maybe it was somewhere like that. I can't remember who it was. Yeah quite, quite sci-fi tech in those days, isn't it really? Yes?

Speaker 1: 55:33

I know, it was just a phone days.

Speaker 5: 55:36

Oh God.

Speaker 1: 55:37

It's when he do. You know the scene when we kind of first meet on the top and they're sitting in the helicopter, aren't they? He's? It's when he's doing the reconnaissance there.

Speaker 5: 55:47

He's zooming in, isn't he?

Speaker 1: 55:49

That's right.

Speaker 5: 55:50

He's zoomed in, and zoomed in, and zoomed in and he looks at the. He looks at the boat as well, yeah. Can anyone remember what the boat's name was?

Speaker 4: 56:02

Was it called after you. So whenever, whenever one took girls out to the, the marinas said I've named this boat after you.

Speaker 5: 56:13

Oh, brilliant, I'd love to say I can remember it, but I can't, and I can't get there quickly enough. I have got a question, though, while we're talking. It's not really a, not really a gadget, but it's worth worth us talking about. So are are US and no, are Russian contact. Sorry, us contact in Russia. That was played by Joe Don Baker, jack.

Speaker 1: 56:42

Wade.

Speaker 5: 56:46

Oh gone, mark.

Speaker 1: 56:47

No, no, no, no no. I don't want to play it.

Speaker 5: 56:49

Well, I just wanted to know what like what. What did he have on his tattoo? Can you remember?

Speaker 4: 56:55

Oh, it was Muffy, wasn't it? Or Muffy, or.

Speaker 3: 56:56

Muffy, muffy.

Speaker 5: 56:59

It was his third wife and he had a. He had a. He had a rose and the name Muffy on it, so not really gadget. Oh, while we're talking about this, we're obviously forgetting the whole fact that there's huge amount of of IBM PCs throughout the entire film, because it's obviously all about about being a programmer and hacking. I didn't think about it, but that's, that's a big part of the thing. And, hands up, anyone who has a had a single color display. I did, yeah, so so like this is, this is a PC which had like one color. And what colors did you have? Green and black, green and black.

Speaker 3: 57:46

I had white and black because I hadn't.

Speaker 5: 57:48

Amstrad 1512.

Speaker 3: 57:50

Okay, awesome.

Speaker 5: 57:53

I had. I had an orange and black, which is quite. They're not very, very cool, they're not very common, but that was that was the PC that was upstairs, and then we also had an Apple 2C or something.

Speaker 4: 58:06

Oh, cool, you are, you are, you had all the gadgets.

Speaker 5: 58:10

Well, yeah, they weren't mine.

Speaker 4: 58:12

But yeah, it's a little skittles to see whether you bought now.

Speaker 5: 58:17

Yeah, I don't know where it is now, but yeah, no, it was just. It's just so growing up with a PC that turned on and made that hum. It just filled, filled with nostalgia. So yeah, so yeah. That's the key thing. We kind of forget that the whole plot revolves around that.

Speaker 4: 58:36

Yeah, so I think that's when the satellite station, the Russian satellite station, was pretty cool as well. All the screen was.

Speaker 5: 58:44

Yeah, yeah, it was really good. It was. Thing is it was. It could have had a like thunderball feel to it, but it was just. It felt really different and it was just. It was just a modern and modern and it didn't feel made up, it was like it was. The one thing I found really funny was I'm just I'm just seeing it, I'm just seeing it now actually because so there's a pass phrase that they have to give to get, to get into the thing, and it's really funny, they have to give their whole title as well. So it's like head of intelligence of. Sometimes. It's just it's hilarious that you'd never have a past phrase like that. It's really good work, but anyway. So yeah, that's basically it when it comes to gadgets, and obviously don't forget the massive dish, the Aracibo dish, which is another key plot point of the film. So yeah, it's pretty and I just can't help.

Speaker 4: 59:41

Yeah, but this has got one of my most favorite interactions between Bond and Q of all the Bond films. All right. At the end, at the end of the sequence, when Don't touch that, that's my lunch, yeah, it's the sandwich, because it's beget. And so, to bond with this, he says don't touch that as well. I love that. I love that so much. It's not even.

Speaker 3: 1:00:02

I don't think. I don't think Brosnan even says anything. He's just looking at it, trying to work out what it is. And it's the expression on Brosnan's face, because it is literally I wonder how this works. And then Q, and it's just such a brilliant.

Speaker 4: 1:00:15

It's the look of shock in his face, he grabs it off from his. Don't touch that as well as brilliant. Anyway, we need to move on because we can spend all time.

Speaker 1: 1:00:23

We can say one thing. No, I'll be really really quick. On the whole Q and Bond thing, I think that's the first time it or to me we're like other ones, they like other versions that are colleagues and that sort of thing I think this is the first time that it feels like a bit more of a father son sort of the way they play it. So I think before they've been very much he's been like he's like a straight man, you know he has a bit of fun with him and chatters to him. But I think I don't have the age difference there because it doesn't learn him. Probably is 80 when there's this was being done. But they feel more father son in this relationship than he had previously with other bonds. I always felt him and Brosnan is more father son than than that. I don't know if everybody else felt like that, but that's how I felt with them on this one.

Speaker 3: 1:01:13

Yeah, no, I know what you mean and it becomes. You know, there's a really poignant moment three movies later, when you know Lou Allen makes his last appearance on screen as Q and he disappears into the, into the floor of Q branch and I remember seeing that and tearing up because by then, by the time that film came out, he'd passed away.

Speaker 3: 1:01:35

Yeah, and I'm getting emotional about it now. So let's move on to the girl. Well, sean Bean, first of all, who I think was a really compelling villain. I think it helps when you put an actor in the role who's a great actor and Sean Bean is a great actor and the dynamic between him and Brosnan. You know the sort of the word play in between them when they bump into each other at the facility that they're meant to destroy and you know, you can really see that they're the close friendship between these two men. And how, when Trevelyan turns up and turns out to be whatever his name is, you know Bond's basically is on this mission to find this sort of shadowy figure that's behind all of this stuff. And it turns out that it's him and the you know Brosnan. I think Pierce Brosnan is a great actor anyway. Anyone who's seen Eurovision Fire Saga will know that to be true, guy should have got an Oscar for his portrayal as Will Ferrell's father in that movie.

Speaker 4: 1:02:40

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:02:41

And Rachel McAdams father as well.

Speaker 4: 1:02:43

We think it's a great film.

Speaker 3: 1:02:44

It's a great film. Don't go wasting your time on this nonsense. Such a good film. So it's brilliant. I love that movie. But you know, I thought Sean Bean, he's probably one of my favourite villains because he was it was. It was, you know, quite real as well. You know a bit more grounded in kind of reality. And my God, the fighting between them towards the end, when it's, you know, one of them's got to die, it was so brutal you actually forget revisiting this film after some time. How violent is probably one of the most violent Bond films up to that point. But Sean Bean really helps with that. He was phenomenal, I mean.

Speaker 4: 1:03:30

Funky Youngston is pretty violent. She broke a rib in one of the fight scenes with. Pierce.

Speaker 1: 1:03:34

Brosnan.

Speaker 4: 1:03:36

So it's quite, it's very physical film. It's a film with explicit sex scenes as well. You know there's lots going on. There's lots of tussling and rotting and hitting. It's a melange of kind of violence, good and bad. An interesting change in kind of pace.

Speaker 3: 1:03:55

Yeah, she was freaking nuts, wasn't she? Yeah, yeah. Isabella Skorupko, best Bond girl for me since Diner Rig hands down. I thought she was, she's probably, maybe still is up. She's up there with Eva Green as well as one of the strongest Bond girls that they've ever written. She was very, very capable, very capable.

Speaker 4: 1:04:24

I think she actually has an epilomal vibes, isn't she? Don't you think so kind of vibe to kind of a competent and slinky and not taking any nonsense kind of vibe to her.

Speaker 3: 1:04:36

Yeah, I mean you know I was 18 and I fancy the pants off her. Yeah, I mean, you know, and she still is, to this day, absolutely gorgeous. Alex Bond. Where did she sit in the pantheon of Bond girls for you?

Speaker 5: 1:04:55

It's kind of middle really. I think she could. There's a lot, there's a lot more to come that are going to fill up my list, as it were, just just because of my age. But yeah, so I think I think she's kind of middle. I just I love the fact that she, she, she didn't, she didn't take anything from him at all, like there's no cases where she would like be bossed around or or you know, she's just very good. So but yeah, I just think I wasn't like yes, she's on, she's on my list now. Do you think some?

Speaker 4: 1:05:36

reason. This wasn't part of it. Do you think she was overshadowed a bit by Funky Anton's character in this film?

Speaker 5: 1:05:42

Oh, yeah, totally I think she would. That that's, yeah, that's absolutely right On the top was the sex and the violence bit, and she was the break, she was the brains, and for me, I thought Natalia was a more grounded character and, like I say, she was very.

Speaker 3: 1:05:59

Bond would not have made it out of this film alive if it wasn't for her. Oh no. And then Fank Jansen's character was base. Zenia was basically the cartoon villain Because he was so over the top like ridiculous, but also I mean really funny with it. I mean, for God's sake, I mean, who came up with that? You know her, her quirk or tickle teller, whatever was going to be that. You know she has an orgasm every time she kills someone.

Speaker 4: 1:06:29

Well, I think that she, she, she kills, she kills people by by a fixating their thighs, and I'm pretty sure there was a reference in a previous Bond film about a Russian agent used to do that. I wonder if they just took inspiration from that as this character.

Speaker 3: 1:06:44

Yeah, I mean she, she kind of reminded me she had the same sort of vibe as the, the, the villain in Never Say Never Again, the one who has the best death of any Bond girl was that one of the grenades? Yeah, where Sean Connery shoots her and she sort of blows up.

Speaker 4: 1:07:06

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:07:08

That crazy dirt.

Speaker 5: 1:07:10

Right in. I mean what?

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

Let's go.

Speaker 3: 1:07:13

Well, if you were, you were giving Alex funny looks there when he said that she was just middle of the road.

Speaker 1: 1:07:18

Natalia, yeah, no, I really liked her and I think that she's going on with the whole thing about bond being moved in, you know, to 21st century and like, and being modernized. I think she's, along with probably Grace Jones, is probably one of the first Bond girls that isn't just there for eye candy and just a damsel in distress or, you know, she's very capable of herself. You know she doesn't take any nonsense from him, as people say. She's really useful on the computers and that was, I think there's a template that they've used, sort of going on since then.

Speaker 1: 1:07:53

You think of all the Bond girls or female characters that have been in Bond since then. There's been no sort of down, those in distress or nothing like that. They've all been capable or they've had a skill that he needs to win. So I think that that is. I think that she's quite a side of Grace Jones, obviously, who's a bad guy and then turns good to be to kill. I think she's probably the first one that's like that as well and she challenges them a lot as well. You know she doesn't do the James, you know she's like, you know they have a.

Speaker 4: 1:08:26

Very well, I don't know about that, mark. She just says oh James to him when they're tussling at the grass right at the end before the army turn up.

Speaker 1: 1:08:33

Oh right, yeah, no, but like, what I mean is the army didn't turn up, john, they were there whole time.

Speaker 4: 1:08:41

Oh yeah, they were hidden in the bush.

Speaker 1: 1:08:43

But they have a really good scene.

Speaker 1: 1:08:45

No, it's fun before, like the final was hidden in he said I was bad at the start and no, but there's a really good scene of them before the like the final and the final battle. They ever like a break and they're like in a on like a beach and they have a chat about what's going to happen and she sort of says you know well, he was your friend, now he's your enemy, you're going to have to kill him, sort of thing. And she says there's never a great line she's got. She's just like boys with toys and that sort of thing. So it did modern it up and I quite like that about it as well. I think that she's that sort of character is in. You know, she wasn't a damsel of distress or things. She was very capable of herself and she knows how.

Speaker 5: 1:09:35

she knows how to handle a weapon.

Speaker 3: 1:09:38

She does oh yeah, when he said you know how to use this, she just takes it and starts doing that thing with the guns in the movie like Strip to get it and build it up again.

Speaker 4: 1:09:48

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:09:49

I like all that. I think she's pretty great. Yeah, I think she's a good one.

Speaker 3: 1:09:55

And then her supposed best friend Boris, played by Alan Cumming Again another very memorable bond. I am invincible. I had a shock moment at the end when he died, when he got hit by that of nitrous oxide yeah. And he just froze and for a horrible moment I thought oh my God, hang on. Where's this film going to go? I've completely forgotten about this. Is something going to come and smash him into tiny bits and pieces? But that didn't happen, unfortunately. Hopefully there's an R rated cut somewhere where that does happen.

Speaker 5: 1:10:31

It was borrowed from demolition man. Yeah, so it's demolition man.

Speaker 1: 1:10:35

That's how the British night skits killed you.

Speaker 3: 1:10:38

Oh great.

Speaker 1: 1:10:39

They really did borrow it yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:10:42

Anyway. Alan.

Speaker 5: 1:10:45

Cumming was great. Yeah, he was such good fun.

Speaker 1: 1:10:49

And the thing about coming is that I had seen Alan Cumming. I had been to a play that he was in. I was a student and he was I come up with the name of it. I went with my school and he was in a play and he was really good in it. And then he did a sitcom on BBC Two called the High Life, where he played. He was an air steward and it's called that and I've only seen him in that.

Speaker 1: 1:11:13

I've never seen him in a film and this was a complete departure for him as well, and he's really good. Actually. He plays sort of slimy and nasty really well. So I've only seen him in like a nice role. So I like this. He's quite like. He's completely not what I'm coming. He was great.

Speaker 4: 1:11:33

He was good as a night crawler and X-Men as well, wasn't he? It was very good yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was really good.

Speaker 1: 1:11:43

So I like Alan Cumming, a really good character actor. They're not really good roles over the years and he's really giving this.

Speaker 3: 1:11:50

Yeah, it always takes me out slightly when they reuse an actor. So you know, Joe Don Baker was the villain in the Daly's in the living daylight.

Speaker 1: 1:12:00

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:12:00

Exactly, but I think he did a good job of separating himself from that previous role. So, by the time, I mean, I really loved some of the quips, you know, very Roger Moore-esque as well. So he's, like you know, be careful, don't push any of the buttons in the car when, when he takes the BMW and he's like oh you know, I'm not going to do, I'm just going to bob around for a bit in it and Brosnan goes yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5: 1:12:28

Can I can I say just one unsung hero from this film mini, mini driver.

Speaker 3: 1:12:36

Yes, stand by your mom. She didn't actually sing it though.

Speaker 4: 1:12:45

No, it wasn't her voice, it was. She's the singer.

Speaker 3: 1:12:51

She's credited with the vocals at the end.

Speaker 4: 1:12:53

She didn't, yeah, she didn't sing it apparently.

Speaker 1: 1:12:56

Not her.

Speaker 4: 1:12:56

No, she's paid 5,000 pounds. I think this will $5,000 for the role, and but she was dubbed over even though she is a trained singer herself.

Speaker 3: 1:13:06

Yeah, so she's Brosnan salary was $1.2 million.

Speaker 1: 1:13:12

Wow, yeah pretty good really for a bond at that time.

Speaker 3: 1:13:15

I mean to me fair. He was, you know, carrying the franchise now.

Speaker 5: 1:13:20

What we're talking about. Singing should be talking about oh God.

Speaker 3: 1:13:24

Yeah, we have to talk about Robbie Coltrane the late. Yeah, let's talk about him, Bless him. Yeah, he's just brilliant in any sort of wizardry.

Speaker 1: 1:13:35

What's the BBK?

Speaker 3: 1:13:37

I know, I know it's a great line and he was so pleased when you see archive interviews of him around that time. He was so pleased and so proud that he got to say that line yes, you know. And he said it's like every British actor's dream, it's in our DNA to want to be in a Bond movie and he was asked.

Speaker 3: 1:13:59

he was like you know, do you think you should have ever been offered the role? And he very cheeky said you know, I think there's one Scotsman who's already done it, and and you know it wouldn't be fair to him if there were looking Scotsman to play the role, so I'll leave that one to him. But he was. He was absolutely great and I he was. One of my favorite things about the world is not enough when he when he came back for that one. It's very sad.

Speaker 4: 1:14:29

The line is Walter PpK, 7.65 millimeter. Only three men. I know you such a gun, I believe I've killed two of them. Lucky me.

Speaker 1: 1:14:45

Yeah, love that.

Speaker 5: 1:14:47

Here's a great line.

Speaker 1: 1:14:48

What's he say that? The whole scene Does he say who strangled in the cat? Is that what he says?

Speaker 5: 1:14:53

That's it. Who's strangling the?

Speaker 3: 1:14:54

cat, and then and then basically goes to shoot in balls and then quickly changes Again. It's the cadence of the. You know the way the characters deliver the dialogue that the actors sorry is just brilliant. I just thought it was such a well acted bottom film. As well it is.

Speaker 1: 1:15:16

I have to say more thing I'm talking about now and remembering scenes and that the dialogue in it is actually really really good. Script is extra and actually on this you think about it, there's a lot of really good memorable lines in it and the performance says, you know, it's about sort of junior Dension Brosnan and then Zoffice and other stuff and and coming script is actually really good on this, Isn't it? There's some great dialogue and great bits in this as well. It's actually really really well written, Extremely.

Speaker 5: 1:15:46

Yeah, no, it's, it's good. I was going to talk about Tina Turner.

Speaker 3: 1:15:57

Oh yeah. Yeah, because this is obviously as everybody, anyone who's still here, thank you, you deserve something.

Speaker 4: 1:16:04

Send a self-addressed a stamp. They let Duff push, joe Bobby, sorry.

Speaker 3: 1:16:09

Yeah, we, I'm not getting enough sponsorship at the moment, so you have to send a stamp self-addressed envelope in and I will send you something, one of my Haribos. So actually I can't do that because they're finished. Yeah, exactly, maybe the cork from my Shatternurf to Pat bottle? Yeah, that will do what we're going to talk about. Oh, the song Goldeneye, tina Turner. What a combination. One of the best title bond songs ever. Yeah, I love it. One of my favorites when it comes on in the car, like I just put one foot down a little bit, I love it.

Speaker 4: 1:16:49

Written by Bono in the Edge.

Speaker 3: 1:16:51

Yeah, it was yeah, yeah, and if you, you know when you, when you listen to the opening of that song, it's very you. If you think about the other soundtrack stuff they've done, like from around the same sort of time hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me? From Batman Forever yeah, it's a brilliant song, but yeah, mark, take it away while I go and kill my dog.

Speaker 1: 1:17:14

Well, I mean, it's the great thing about the song. I mean, obviously Tina Turner is just wonderful. We all know that it's a really great bond song because it sounds. It sounds like a traditional bond song, but it sounds like upstate and modern as well, and like the music in it is brilliant. You know, the way it starts at the intro is amazing, it's great, it's really bombastic, it's very, very bond, but it also feels very modern. If it was like a song that a showy bass he could have done.

Speaker 4: 1:17:49

Jayden's Masterson from Dot Music said. Like most bond themes, it tends towards the sweeping style of the early John Barry efforts.

Speaker 1: 1:17:57

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:17:58

It still manages to retain its own identity.

Speaker 1: 1:18:00

Yeah, and I think that's absolutely spot on. I think he's actually said it better than any of us could actually. Yeah, I would just yeah. I think he's just nailed it there. It's a great song because it's got it's great melody to it. It's got a great chorus line as well, and Tina goes for it. It's just a. It is a brilliant, brilliant bond song and it's what I need. I like for a new version of it as well. It's brilliant.

Speaker 4: 1:18:26

It's another fun fact as well. The music video for GoldenEye that we all watched on top of the Pops before the film came out was directed by Jake Scott really Scott's son.

Speaker 1: 1:18:37

Oh, was it really.

Speaker 4: 1:18:39

Yeah, which is interesting. I mean, do you remember the soundtrack?

Speaker 5: 1:18:44

was performed by Eric Sarah.

Speaker 1: 1:18:47

Yeah the score. Yeah the score. Yeah, eric, sarah, he did it before David Arnold took over for Throne of the Dies.

Speaker 3: 1:18:55

Yeah, yeah, and see, for me, david Arnold, like Eric Sarah I, you know he's he got really slated for the job that he did. You know he was very heavily criticized that. You know there was no attempt whatsoever. If he did attempt, he completely failed to tie the soundtrack of GoldenEye, to introduce threads in the music that were tied back to Bond's cinematic history, which is something that David Arnold did so so well. Like he, I don't know that guy is so talented. I mean, he basically brought Bond's soundtrack into the modern era, but with a very firm anchor in the past. And I remember the Toramara Never Dies soundtrack because that was one that.

Speaker 3: 1:19:43

I listened, oh yeah, and I listened to the whole thing I bought that.

Speaker 1: 1:19:46

they all saw the film.

Speaker 3: 1:19:47

Yeah, yeah, exactly, and I remember the whole sequence when we're skipping forward a film now, but I've just got to mention it the Brent Cross car park BMW sequence are just, you know, because he hits the, he knows when to use that James Bond theme at exactly the right moment.

Speaker 3: 1:20:07

And it's something I've been critical of previous films for in the past, that that you know you get the strands from the James Bond theme, like whether it's it's using those those strands at exactly the right moment in the action. And that's what Dave Arnold manages to do. And Eric Sarah, unfortunately I don't think, did a great job either. I don't think it was a bad job, but it wasn't brilliant. Interesting fact who remembers Ace of Bass?

Speaker 4: 1:20:40

Yeah, oh, that she wants.

Speaker 3: 1:20:42

She wants, it's a job of gravy, yeah, that one, yeah, so they they actually had written the theme song for this film, but it was pulled at the last minute and then obviously they went to the song with Bono and the Edge Funny that Because the Ace of Bass's label were worried that the film was going to bomb and they were worried about the negative impact of that on their band. That one to them didn't it.

Speaker 1: 1:21:17

Yeah, someone did with the market in the strategy correctly. There we go, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:21:23

Yeah, exactly, so I didn't know that Dave Arnold had also scored Stargate, independence Day, godzilla, little Britain and Sherlock. That was quite a quite a CV he's got there.

Speaker 1: 1:21:33

I did it in Independence Day. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:21:39

So we're all agreed. The soundtrack sorry, the theme song was brilliant. Let's just quickly I want to mention maybe we'll do it this way let's just talk about favorite action set pieces, because there were many in this film, but I think between the four of us we might all have a different one. You know, for me, the one that always stands out in my mind is when Natalia and Bond escape. Well, natalia gets kidnapped and Bond goes after in the tank in St Petersburg. Yeah, that whole thing is ridiculous, it's over the top. But it gives me again one of my signature Brosnan moments that I will always love him for, which is the straightening of the tie.

Speaker 3: 1:22:19

Yeah, yeah, the adjusting of the tie before he does it again in the world is not enough on the boat on the Thames. But yeah, that for me it was ridiculous, it was, it was so well shot, but it was. It was just fantastic and there were so many moments that just had your heart in your mouth but at the same time you were laughing as well, like with the statue of the horse, basically.

Speaker 4: 1:22:43

Yeah, this was totally ripped off in Mission Impossible when you go through Prague and it also reminded me a bit of Fast and Furious as well down the Spanish steps in the most recent film. But I actually watched the little behind the scenes futureette about this scene, how they filmed it, because obviously a lot of it was filmed in Pinewood and using sets. But there's the in the, you know, in the extras you get with films.

Speaker 4: 1:23:07

This is great bit where they're talking about building up the. You know, the drinks Laurie, laurie, with all the drinks, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so if you get a chance to watch that making all, because because they're like the filming of that scene is really fascinating, how they actually put it together and the work involved in making that work being really exciting about it- yeah, here it comes again.

Speaker 4: 1:23:29

I was watching it now it's just amazing because they set up so clever, because they they bring it in their pocket. And then obviously, the next scene. It's already pre, pre parked and ready. You've got Bond coming through before he hits the statue on all the periacads, the bouncing off his head and stuff as he goes through the tank. It's just brilliant. Such a great scene.

Speaker 3: 1:23:46

Mark, favorite set piece.

Speaker 1: 1:23:49

I'm trying to think of one that's not that, one which I can talk about as well.

Speaker 3: 1:23:52

I mean, if it is that one Mark, you can talk about that one.

Speaker 1: 1:23:56

Well, no, it is that one. But actually what I, what I shall go for, actually, is when they actually steal gold and I, because I actually think some of the there's a great shot of sorry the Bond girl's name, sorry, natalia.

Speaker 3: 1:24:11

Natalia, natalia.

Speaker 1: 1:24:14

When she's escaping, when after after on the top and never go out and sort of kill everyone, there's a great shot actually, when all the glass is shattering around her and she's in slow motion but trying to escape, it is a really good shot. That seems actually really good. I'll go for that, just saying different as well. But I'm saying there's no God bonding and I'll cheat and I'll do another one. Actually I quite like the scene between on the top and Bond when they're in the sauna. That one's actually very, very funny and like well done. When she's, I'll get some of the thighs. He puts her on there like the burner, so he's like just to get on such a burn. That's actually very, very clever, playful fight. When they're in the hotel as well.

Speaker 4: 1:24:57

Mark that scene there, funky answer, and told Bond to properly shove her against the wall to make the scene more authentic. And she said don't worry, pierce, the wall padded but it wasn't when he did. That's when he broke her rib for real life. So that seems pretty rough because it really is.

Speaker 1: 1:25:15

Yeah, it's a great scene as well. So, yeah, that is a great scene, so I probably go yeah for those two. I'll cheat and say those two are pretty good, you don't need your gun commander.

Speaker 4: 1:25:24

Oh, that depends on your definition of safe sex.

Speaker 1: 1:25:26

Oh yeah, Great line as well.

Speaker 4: 1:25:28

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:25:28

See there's so many lines, and then when he shoves her off, shoves her off him, and no, no, no.

Speaker 1: 1:25:39

No more four play, yeah, yeah, it just has so much fun to it, doesn't it?

Speaker 5: 1:25:45

Yeah, it's really there's so many great lines and it genuinely is just enjoying itself. Yeah, I think the action scene that isn't those two that comes to mind for me is when they're actually put in the helicopter and then the missiles come out, because again, they actually have this real peril. It's not just, it's not just made up. It's like, oh okay, now there is this, there's stakes, I've got to solve something. It's this time and again, I think that's what makes it so good is it's that mix of fuma and but then real action scenes that are great, like you've got to have that and this, this film had it both, so it was good.

Speaker 3: 1:26:29

Yeah, the time peril in that scene reminded me of some dialogue from later in the film, when Travellian is telling Bond, as his master plan is about to come to fruition, in 16 minutes and 54 seconds no, in 16 minutes and 53 seconds. And I just thought to myself this could have gone a very different way. We could have had a 16 minute and 53 seconds. In 16 minutes and 53 seconds.

Speaker 4: 1:26:58

No, in 16 minutes and 52 seconds, no, that's that's going into the realm of Boston powers now, isn't?

Speaker 3: 1:27:04

it yeah, yeah. Yeah. Brilliant.

Speaker 5: 1:27:09

Okay, the third beep. The time, according to Accurus, will be oh my God, who remembers that?

Speaker 3: 1:27:16

And if you're, if my dad ever called me darling one, two, three for the speaking clock, I'd get my ear clipped because apparently that cost you a fortune yeah.

Speaker 5: 1:27:25

I used to do that when I was younger. Yeah, so, john, yeah, hello, hello.

Speaker 3: 1:27:36

You always make notes on on. I should be doing this, but you do it so I don't bother doing it anymore. I always make notes on the outfits and you always pick like a suit or two that you like the look of, and then you ask me about it. So did you observe anything that sort of took your fancy and that you added to your imaginary armoire?

Speaker 4: 1:27:55

I have to confess I didn't do it for this film actually.

Speaker 3: 1:27:58

Oh, that's that segment over then, so moving on.

Speaker 4: 1:28:02

I think that's your job. I did start writing notes, but I enjoyed it so much I just stopped and watched it, which is saying quite a lot really. Yeah, I think that my my rating at the end of the podcast, mark. Bear that in mind. We're going to be rating this out of 10. I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:28:17

I think if you comment on the clothing, if you like, yeah, go for it, Someone has to. So I remember really loving Bond's tie. I think he it's the one he wears when he gets to Ruther, I think. And when I first started working like I got my first job in about 97. So pretty couple of years after this there was like a James Bond website. You could buy stuff from the films on the clothes and I was like, I love that James Bond tie, I'm going to go and buy that. And it was like a 80 pound tie and at the time I just couldn't afford that. So I was just like, no, I won't be buying that as well. But I saved up for it about three months and then finally got it as well. And then the first time that I wore it out for dinner or drinks when I was out, it was pure silk and I absolutely ruined it as well the first time I was out.

Speaker 4: 1:29:05

It was currently mate. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:29:07

So I'd carry your sun drink over it completely unwearable after that, and I'd saved up for it as well. And yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:29:15

So, bobby, in the first sort of third of the film you've got Bond wearing a tux at the casino. You've got the Ferrari race, you know the beginning of the Aston Martin where he's scaring that intern, and he's wearing kind of a casual dark navy jacket and a dark blue shirt without a tie. So I think that's casual Bond will wear. And then I think he moves on to his sort of trademark grey grey suit with the white tie which we, you know Bond's famous for in a lot of his sequences and he wears out quite a lot. I was putting. When he meets him he's wearing what looks like a sort of a very, very faint grey plaid with a lovely. Is the tie you're thinking of, Mark? Is it like a blue tie with pink spots?

Speaker 1: 1:30:01

Yes, it is yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:30:04

Yeah, it's a nice tie. I can't tell if it's silk or not from here, but he wears it out quite a lot. But he's also wearing a quite nice waistcoat with it as well. What do you all use on suits with waistcoats, bobby? Is it a must for you? I always wear three-piece.

Speaker 3: 1:30:19

No, I always wear three-piece. I always wear three-piece. I think Mark's actually seen me in the real world in the way that I would normally dress for my daydreams and always in a waistcoat, even if I'm like today. I was wearing jeans, actually in my combat boots. I was a bit more grungy today just because the weather and also I can be bothered, but then there's a reel on Instagram. If you want to go check it out. I did a what I'm wearing today reel, my first one.

Speaker 3: 1:30:47

And there's also a guest appearance by Skip Laurie. But yeah, so I was wearing like a sort of blue tweed waistcoat with matching jacket, shirt and tie always, and then I was wearing my jeans and my grungy boots and my flat cat. But I always wear three-piece. I just think it just looks, it gives you more, it gives you more presence, it makes me feel a bit slimmer as well.

Speaker 4: 1:31:14

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:31:14

I mean not that I'm in bad shape, but still, and especially in this day and age, it's not hard, because it's so mixed in the way that people dress and people are dressing more casual. Well, I was going to say that, yeah, I'll say it. People are dressing more in the gutter than actually making an effort.

Speaker 4: 1:31:35

I think I think I'm bagging my mic here in agreement. Here I think you're right, bobby. We've where I work currently we're having discussions with governors, the parents and the staff about whether the children in our school need to carry on wearing ties, and this is a tricky one, obviously because I work in a private school, so a lot of the parents see it as a tradition. But a lot of people now in the workplace a lot less people are wearing suits and ties. I think this might be a hangover from working from home, I don't know. But when we had this discussion I do think of you, bobby, and how that's affecting you in its general view towards suits and so on.

Speaker 4: 1:32:12

For instance, when Bond meets Wade in Russia for the first time and sees that terrible car he's going to drive him, he's wearing a winter coat overcoat as well. I love those. Now I have not been able to wear them in the last couple of years because quite a lot of weight on, but I was delighted to discover trying it on again recently yesterday In fact. It fits me perfectly and I think I've lost weight because I'm cycling. So overcoats as well. I presume that's something you do.

Speaker 3: 1:32:43

Yeah, long coats, absolutely A ton of them.

Speaker 4: 1:32:47

Because they are timeless and they always look good. Whatever you wear, as long as you're wearing something smart, I think.

Speaker 3: 1:32:52

I mean, you can even wear them in a t-shirt, and look good, can't you really yeah? We had our best year last year ever in my and it was my best year in my 20 now 21 year career and this year we're on course to smash last year. So, from from a you know people on buying smart clothing anymore. Point of view absolutely nonsense.

Speaker 3: 1:33:15

It's just shifted a bit. So the suit is coming back in the workplace because particularly senior people are fed up of trying to work the smart casual thing out because much more complicated. You can't wear the same thing every single day, otherwise you look like a loser. But also you need to dress according to the weather, you need to, you know seasons, all of that stuff. It's more complicated. So we're finding a lot of guys are coming in and they're saying I'm saying oh right, we've got some more great smart casual ideas to continue expanding that they're like no, I want a gray seat, I want a blue seat, I'm not going to wear ties. Let me like five shirts one pink, two white, two blue. It's just much easier. I can't deal with this nonsense anymore.

Speaker 4: 1:33:57

And then you can mix and match, can't you yeah?

Speaker 3: 1:33:59

but then. But then on the opposite end of it, the casual business for us is doing really well, because people need help with it, and I think, with men. If you don't get help with it, we can end up dressing casual very badly. And what I talk to people about is that you know, don't think just because I'm a tailor, I want you to buy seats. That is not the case at all.

Speaker 3: 1:34:23

What I want is for people that work with me to just it doesn't matter whether they're dressed casually, smart casual, whatever just look like you thought for five seconds about what you put on before you left the front door so that you look competent, you look like someone who actually is a considered person, so that when you're pitching for work or you're in a situation where you're being assessed or whatever, you actually look like you care about what you're doing, because I don't know about you guys. But anyone who's providing a service to me whether it's a, I don't know, I don't have a financial advisor, I'm not as rich not rich for that bit If I did or an accountant, or my bank manager or whatever I at least want them to look like they give a shit.

Speaker 3: 1:35:06

Yeah you know, I'm feeling personally offended at the moment.

Speaker 5: 1:35:11

This is all aimed at me, right? So you?

Speaker 3: 1:35:14

fucking should be.

Speaker 4: 1:35:17

No, not at all, but then it depends on what you do for a living Alex.

Speaker 4: 1:35:22

Yeah, I do sport on Sundays, but I've moved to a different timetable where I do less sport. So on the days where I am not doing sport, I wear a smart, smart clothes, and you may have seen an Instagram post. Recently I got caught by the advertisers on Instagram and bought a pair of rather interesting shoes. You may have seen them. They're a bit gimmicky but the kids at school love them and so they're very, very smart brown, like brown tan shoes, but they have.

Speaker 4: 1:35:50

These are kind of unique bright blue soles and bright blue laces, and it was. But they look very, very nice with a shirt and tie and trousers. It's a point where these are, you know, 21st century kids. I heard someone behind me say just under their breath Miss Dreyfus looks so cool, and that was all that was. You know, for the kids who are less care, less about shirt and tie and trousers, that I thought was really interesting and I think it wasn't because they were kind of unique looking shoes. It's more about just someone taking care of their presentation compared to you know someone who maybe just come together.

Speaker 3: 1:36:28

I think that's the other reason why that set piece in St Petersburg with the tank and everything?

Speaker 4: 1:36:34

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:36:35

I just love it so much because the lead up to before he gets in the tank is a lot of running around because they're trying to escape and they're getting shot at and so on, and then he jumps out the window but he's doing it all in full suit, shirt and top and he just and that is bond. For me, that is what it's all about, and I think we are moving back to through a. We're coming into a phase now where we're guys do have the opportunity to dress smart, whether it's getting dressed for a black tie event or they're putting us a suit and shirt and maybe a tie on for work. They asked they're starting to appreciate it more than back, maybe pre pandemic, where the suit had just become a bit of a uniform. It was something you throw on every day. Now clients are sort of you know, I wear a suit two days a week, but in those two days a week I feel like a superhero kind of thing, you know.

Speaker 4: 1:37:24

I have to confess what's about for me, scanning, scanning through and looking at his outfits. I have to confess I'm not sure Brosnan in this film. I don't think he has his suit. He's got two or three different suits but I feel like they're for him. They're pretty generic. They don't stand out as clearly as some of the other films that we've seen and I wonder if that improves in the next few films. We have to watch again and find out, like you know, if you think about some of the outfits that Craig, daniel Craig, wears and how we want to wear them, whereas I think these, the suits you wore, no we're going to talk about that in future episodes.

Speaker 4: 1:38:04

Okay.

Speaker 3: 1:38:04

Daniel Craig started off well in Casino Royale with Breone, but as soon as they moved to Tom Ford in Quantum of Solace and it just got progressively worse, because it just looks like it's the yellow hot pants shorts, but Brosnan watch out when he receives a mark or bat me up on this. The outfit Brosnan wears and the coat he wears when he meets Q at the airport to pick up the seven series in the next film.

Speaker 4: 1:38:35

Yeah, okay, watch that for the next one.

Speaker 3: 1:38:38

You are going to be like I want that outfit and I want that coat.

Speaker 4: 1:38:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:38:41

I wanted that as well. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:38:45

So look, guys, we've been going on for a while. Again, listeners, anyone who's still here you get two Haribos if you send in a envelope with your address on it to me. You sorry, not you. We are getting to that stage now where we're getting a little bit tired. I've had loads of wine and I've had loads of supermix as well. The rating stage of proceedings. So, Mark, this is where we rate the movie out of 10. I'm keeping a spreadsheet. I might need to have an offline conversation with you about all the other films so that we can then, Right, when we finish all of this, we're going to do the ultimate Play Paul's Turn, Taylor and Talk Ranking Out of 10. And you can give your reasons why as well. Where do you rate this film?

Speaker 1: 1:39:39

I would give GoldenEye a very, very respectable 8 out of 10. I think as a film it had to have a lot on its plate. It had to reach these bonds with new audience after a long hiatus. It had to do it after a lot of cultural change in the world with the Berlin War going down and that sort of thing. So it's a great script, great song. I'd give it a good 8 out of 10 for me.

Speaker 3: 1:40:09

Alex.

Speaker 5: 1:40:11

So GoldenEye gets a 9 from me. It's like Seminole Bond the first one that comes to mind and it ticks so many boxes that it's not without its flaws. But yeah, no, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. I try not to think about the future ones, but I'm going to Because I'm thinking about the future ones. I can't give it a 9 out of 10. But I would definitely give it a solid 9. It's definitely earned that.

Speaker 4: 1:40:45

I'd already thought of a 9 as well for this, I think, because, as you say, because it was a turning point and the video game and just the fact it's. I know I said more was my bond, but let's be honest, these are the ones I went to see in the cinemas and not as a repeat Christmas, and these were more bombastic for me. So, yeah, I would say definitely a solid 9 for me. The soundtrack is also very good as well.

Speaker 4: 1:41:10

It's one of the ones you look forward to playing, when it comes on, the best of Bond film songs.

Speaker 3: 1:41:16

Absolutely, and same for me as well. Guys Like banging straight there with a 9 out of 10, it's an absolutely brilliant film. It's so rewatchable as well and it is one that you really Because the plot was so well put together, in the end, after all the rewrites they went through, it's one that you can always think about and you can pretty much remember the film through, although I have to say, actually I've just realised the reason why I'm so o-fay with the plot of this movie is because of the bloody game. And again, I wasn't one really to play the multiplayer mode because I didn't have friends around enough to do that, so I used to just play the story mode over and over and over and over and over again. So I know it backwards and forwards. But, yeah, absolutely brilliant. My first movie on DVD, the first Bond film that I ever saw in a cinema. I was obsessed with that Z3. It just looks so good on my Windows 3 11 wallpaper.

Speaker 3: 1:42:24

Isabella Skorupko Brosnan I just love him. I think he's fabulous. I think, both as Bond, but also, I think, generally as a human being as well. He seems like the kind of person I just want to hang out with all the time. The game and not the soundtrack, but the Tina Turner U2 combo for the title song. It's just great. So yeah, nine out of ten. It's a bit congested up in that top top bit for me, you and.

Speaker 1: 1:42:58

John.

Speaker 3: 1:42:59

Alex, isn't it? Because we've got Moonraker up there, we've got the spy who loved me up there.

Speaker 5: 1:43:05

You're going to be picking apart my numbering, aren't you? You're going to be like is this really not as good as Thunderball? And we're going to have to have that conversation later.

Speaker 3: 1:43:16

It's fine because I think once you have your ranking, you might end up with like this However many Bond films right, 20 or whatever you might end up with like one number one which still for me, is from Russia, with love, and then you might end up with number two, but with like three or four films in that second position, and that's fine. Who cares? At the end of the day, no one's listening to this.

Speaker 1: 1:43:43

Can I just say one last thing?

Speaker 3: 1:43:45

Of course you can Mark.

Speaker 1: 1:43:46

Which is my usual bug there and that's trailers. So there is this thing now in trailers which show everything. Oh God, yeah. And what I don't understand okay with how they cut trailers I noticed 20-odd years ago, let's do it now is they give away massive plot points.

Speaker 4: 1:44:05

I know you're talking about Mark.

Speaker 1: 1:44:07

Because there's a big thing, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:44:09

Travellian.

Speaker 1: 1:44:10

Yes, travellian. Yeah, bang on, thank you, john. So obviously he dies at the start, right, and then the big surprise halfway through the film is that he comes back and he is is it? What's the? The? Um? Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:44:22

Janus.

Speaker 1: 1:44:23

Janus yeah, so he's the surprise. Okay, now all right, if you're all right. If you're semi-know who Sean Bean is, like in most people did in the first year, you know that Janus is.

Speaker 1: 1:44:35

Greek for John don't you, yeah, and you know that he's going to and you know it's Sean Bean. All right, he's not going to just be in it like for one for one scene or just at the start. Everyone probably knows you're going to come back at some point, but why are you showing him as the bad guy in this in the trailers? I do not know, because it's just completely undercuts the surprise of when he's killed at the start or or killed at the start.

Speaker 4: 1:44:58

So you're helping people upset about that.

Speaker 1: 1:45:00

Yeah, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 3: 1:45:02

I wasn't upset about it, and I'll tell you why. I didn't see any of the trailers for this film.

Speaker 1: 1:45:08

Oh good.

Speaker 3: 1:45:09

Well, the only the only thing I saw of this was I downloaded the wallpaper that had this sort of golden eye, you know Brosnan's face, and maybe the BMW kind of in the middle, and that was that and it was a black background. I need to find that wallpaper. Actually I think I'm going to stick that as my wallpaper for the month of November. And the only my only exposure marketing wise to this film was the poster where you just saw Brosnan's eye and the front of the PPK and it said there is no substitute. Yeah, 007. It didn't even say golden eye on it.

Speaker 3: 1:45:47

It just said 007. And that for me was like I can't wait for this film. And then I was just because my imagination, as you guys know, runs wild I was just making, and with the song, because obviously the song was out in the charts, I think, just before the movie came out, but with that as well I was just able to make up a whole bomb movie in my head. And that was that. So yeah, so it didn't say for me, when the Janus moment came and it was revealed to be Alex, I was like, oh my God, he's not dead.

Speaker 3: 1:46:18

There's also helps that I had no idea who Sean Bean was at that time.

Speaker 1: 1:46:21

No, I used to watch Sharp. So yeah, and also on the poster, there's also another brilliant tagline for it. I think it says you know the name, you know the number, which? I really. I really like that as a great tagline. It will come up on that as well.

Speaker 4: 1:46:38

Yeah, it was also a Zinni's hand at the casino table, wasn't it? She's holding two face cards and a seven 007.

Speaker 1: 1:46:48

That's right, he shoots it. Yes, yeah, with the bullet holes in the cards.

Speaker 3: 1:46:52

Yeah, so, um, well, so, guys, thank you, that was brilliant. So at the end of this I don't know if anybody watched through the end credits, I mean that's Eric Serra song they played was awful, I had to switch off. It was done, yeah, I had to fast forward to the end credits. I'm not going to pretend that I martyred myself, but this is also the first bond film. I think that says James Bond will return, but they don't say in what, because obviously we're in uncharted waters now, because there's they're not going from the source material.

Speaker 3: 1:47:27

They're all starting to be original stories until we get back to casino right out, roy out again. But yeah, it just says James Bond will return. That was it. There you go.

Speaker 4: 1:47:38

Which is more exciting, in a way. I think yes. Exactly, I'm pretty sure, at the end of um what's the last bond film recently to die on the day, so I don't know. They said that he would return into that as well, which is kind of funny when you think what happened to the other film.

Speaker 3: 1:47:56

Yeah, yeah, that kind of ruined the moment for me, because we're sitting there all sort of somber and tears in our eyes and like shall we just briefly discuss why he will return, bobby.

Speaker 4: 1:48:09

So Chris Nolan, Chris Nolan will return because, because, because because there was that explosion.

Speaker 3: 1:48:17

and then what's going to happen is is that the beginning of the next film is going to be in the water and it's the end of the explosion? Well, it's not going to happen. And then we see the back of Bond and then his shirt burns off, but his skin is not effective and he turns around with a big hairy chest and it's Henry Cavill, because Superman was 007. It's a whole fricking time.

Speaker 4: 1:48:42

We know that Chris Nolan has been in talks direct two new Bond movies and they're going to be second to 50s. So how do you feel about that?

Speaker 3: 1:48:48

Because I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4: 1:48:51

You don't want to be called.

Speaker 1: 1:48:54

No, I need to sign a disclaimer.

Speaker 3: 1:48:58

You know my problem with Nolan. I think he's a. I think he's a brilliant director. I just think since Interstellar, when he kind of moved to that whole, I don't want to change the original performance of the actors, so I'm not going to over dub them after, or he doesn't like them up or whatever the hella is. I don't want a Bond movie where I can't hear what the hell people are saying.

Speaker 4: 1:49:21

Do you not think, though, although he has asked for more creative freedom, do you not think that the broccoli estate are going to be fairly restrictive, and what he can and can't do with a Bond movie?

Speaker 3: 1:49:29

Yeah, they will. I think that will be a deal breaker for him anyway. So it probably won't happen.

Speaker 1: 1:49:35

Are they not going to do with? So are they going to make 60s era Bond like new Bond, 50s, 50s, so they're not going to carry on as it's modern day, then.

Speaker 3: 1:49:46

No, we don't know. Do we because they've?

Speaker 1: 1:49:48

got.

Speaker 3: 1:49:48

Amazon bought MGM, and so there was talk at one point of there being a TV series as well, which I'm not sure, I'm, not sure that's happening though, but they was going to do it, as in bonds, of code names that anyone can take it over, because they were talking.

Speaker 3: 1:50:04

they were talking about 60s era Bond for this, when they were talking about rebooting it, they did talk about Bond being black. They did talk about where the bond should be a woman they did so. It was all those conversations that you know they've had when at the beginning of the Daniel Craig era. Now they've been having them again before they select the next one. By the way, I really hope it's Aaron Taylor Johnson.

Speaker 1: 1:50:24

I really awesome him. He'd be awesome.

Speaker 3: 1:50:28

When I saw him in bullet train, he was very good in that when he that very first moment you see him on screen, I turn around to Carolina and I said that's our next 007. He's such a chameleon. As well I get the right age to play younger bonds.

Speaker 4: 1:50:43

Yeah, yeah, I just get the feeling it's going to be someone we've never heard of or someone that no one's expecting. Any graphic bands maybe to carry on this speculation when we've got to that film, perhaps?

Speaker 3: 1:50:56

We will. Yeah, we'll probably have some more news by the time we record for tomorrow in over $1, because that is what we're going to be talking about next. Thank you so much, guys, mark. Have you had fun. I've had a great time.

Speaker 1: 1:51:09

Thank you very much for having me. Oh, you're welcome. You can come back. I might as come back. I'm not sure if I would be.

Speaker 3: 1:51:16

You have to because we have to talk about Tomorrow Never Dies, and I think you and I are really going to get our teeth stuck into that one.

Speaker 4: 1:51:22

Is that the Madonna one?

Speaker 3: 1:51:24

No that's the one with Terry Hatcher and Jonathan Price. Who's?

Speaker 1: 1:51:27

the media mogul, and Michelle Yeo is the.

Speaker 3: 1:51:33

Bond guy.

Speaker 4: 1:51:34

Okay, looking forward to that.

Speaker 3: 1:51:36

Yeah, brilliant. It is a good film, brilliant. Thank you, guys. Thank you all so much once again for joining us. Remember, for regular show updates, join us on Instagram at Taylor and Talk Podcast, and you can support the show at the link in the show notes. Also, please, if you've enjoyed your time with these wonderful gentlemen, check out our other podcast, play Paul's Turn. We haven't recorded for a little while, but we will get back onto that Good back catalog to listen to, though.

Speaker 3: 1:52:03

Exactly. We've got a very good back catalog to listen to where we talk about what we've seen, what we've read, what we've played. It's brilliant. And we're also joined on some of those episodes by Alex's wonderful wife, who has had little cameos here and there in the Bondathon Amy. We miss her very much and can't wait to see her again soon. You can also help massively by reviewing us and giving a rating, if your podcast listening app allows, and please do the same. If you do, check out, play Paul's Turn. We will return to review. Tomorrow Never Dies and until then, take care of each other and we'll see you on the next 007 episode of Taylor and Talk. Bye, bye, bye bye, bye, bye.

Speaker 3: 1:52:48

Oh God, you did it on time this time. Thank you guys.

Speaker 5: 1:52:51

I was going to say this is also the first film that Amy's dad was worked for. He's actually got a golden eye crew jacket somewhere. Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 4: 1:53:04

What did he do? What did he do what?

Speaker 3: 1:53:07

How did you save that until afterwards? What did he do? Oh, he's not like this.

Speaker 5: 1:53:12

He's a screen comforter, so basically he would build the sets and if they hadn't been, they'll go want it to look like this and then it'll be like right to do that. You're going to need to hold it up here and here, right.

Speaker 4: 1:53:25

Fred.

Speaker 5: 1:53:26

And all that kind of stuff. So he's been carpenter by trade for years for TV and film, but anyway. So he's got a cast jacket somewhere. It's absolutely battered and he's got duct tape over it and everything. Because he doesn't realise how cool some of this stuff is, he just sort of goes oh yeah, I was doing this film and this person was in the way, and then we get work out which celeb it was and it's hilarious Anyway. So, yeah, just a little claim to fame for Amy's dad there.

Speaker 3: 1:54:00

Does he want to?

Speaker 5: 1:54:01

sell that jacket to me.

Speaker 3: 1:54:02

Does he want to sell that jacket to me?

Speaker 5: 1:54:05

No, probably not. He's probably had it for like 40 years, 30 years.

Speaker 3: 1:54:11

Well, the film's only like 28 years old.

Speaker 5: 1:54:13

Yeah, but the amount of time is worn it.

Speaker 3: 1:54:17

That's fine. Let's try to clean this.

Speaker 5: 1:54:18

I'll find out, I'll find out.

Speaker 3: 1:54:21

We'll talk about that. Anyone who's still listening at this point because this will make it into the extra bit at the end who wants to put a bid in? Also send a paid, self-addressed envelope to Alex with your silver bid for his father-in-law's you can see what he can do.

Speaker 5: 1:54:39

He'd earn a bobble too if someone paid him. So we'll have to see.

Speaker 3: 1:54:44

There we go, the Arthur Daly of podcast. Thank you all so much for staying for this long. You're all wonderful and we love you very much. We'll see you soon. So it'll be a regular tailing talk episode. It'll be much shorter, bye, bye.