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It's time to join Alex, Jon and I as we navigate the twists and turns of The World Is Not Enough!
As ever we'll dive deep into the plot, cast, gadgets, vehicles, behind the scenes stories and much more.
Was Brosnan's third outing as James Bond a hit or a miss? Who would win in a fight between 007 and Mission:Impossible's Ethan Hunt?
All this and much more in the latest Bondathon as our journey through the James Bond series continues!
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That's all good. Yeah, sorry about that. I had to do blood pressure and I couldn't leave it.
Speaker 3:It's a whole other story. I'm very awful. I've not bought my pills from the doctor since November. They've been sending me some very snotty messages.
Speaker 2:Oh okay. Hang on. Sorry, I've just got to make a note. Find younger co-hosts that don't need so much medication.
Speaker 4:Okay, brilliant On with the show as the countdown begins to the 21st century, it's good to know there is still one number you can always count on Bond Bond number you can always count on bond bond.
Speaker 3:Can't you just say hello like a normal person?
Speaker 2:hello tailoring talkers. It's time for the bond-aathon. My friends and I are watching the entire James Bond movie series, from beginning to end, one movie at a time. We deep dive into each film, covering everything from the plot, clothes, gadgets, cast and behind the scenes stories and our favourite moments. Please help the show by subscribing and leaving us a rating and a review. Step back into the tailoring talk time machine. We head to 1999 and the release of a film that, conceptually, was born two years prior on an in-flight news broadcast about oil fields in the Caspian Sea. Yes, you guessed right. It is time, for the World Is Not Enough. Before we dive in, I must introduce my co-hosts. First up, it's the man for whom two pints and a packet of crisps is not enough. It's the voice himself, john Evans. John, how are you?
Speaker 3:I'm very well, and you're right. Really Only at least three packets of crisps three, three packets of crisps.
Speaker 2:Yeah you, you did get through a lot of pints this past weekend, didn't you? But that's another story. Um, next up, it's the gadget guru with a heart of gold. An hour in his company is not enough. Welcome back, alex hansford.
Speaker 1:Alex how are? You I'm well. I'm not allowed any crisps anymore. There's too much salt apparently.
Speaker 2:Ah, okay, is this why you've got blood pressure issues? It might be. Before we get started, we need to get our spoiler alert in. We will be spoiling the living daylights out of this movie. Yeah, I can't be bothered to think of another one. I'm sticking with this for the rest of it. So if you haven't seen, the World Is Not Enough, hit pause, go see it and rejoin us after. Usually I've got something else that I say in this bit. I didn't prep it, it's alright it's just the three of us again.
Speaker 3:Just the three of us. We can record this together.
Speaker 2:It worked for the last film better, didn't it Review?
Speaker 4:it tomorrow, never die. It's just the three of us. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I first saw this film in 1999 when it was released in a cinema. It was the first Bond film that I ever saw in a cinema with my dad and do you know what? I'm just going to get this one out of the way up front. So I thought the CGI was all right in this film. I don't know what you two were talking about.
Speaker 3:This is the wrong one. This is not the CGI. This is not thegi that we're talking about ah, see, wrong film.
Speaker 2:I had nothing to do with the next one, if that's the one you were talking about yeah, yeah yeah, ah, okay, yeah there we go.
Speaker 1:You'll see. When you get to the next one, you'll see yeah but I had nothing to do with that one.
Speaker 2:So now, before we continue, I would like a retraction and an apology. Please, john, you can go first.
Speaker 3:I apologise that you weren't involved in any way with the CGI of the film that we're going to watch after this film which is I don't know, I can't remember. It's Pierce Brosnan in um Die Another.
Speaker 2:Day Alex, your turn.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry that you didn't get work at that point. Die Another Day, die Another Day. That's it, alex, your turn. I'm sorry that you didn't get work at that point. They obviously went with someone else.
Speaker 2:I'm really sorry I'd left that tech company by that time I sunk it. So yeah, that wasn't a very good apology, that was wrong.
Speaker 3:Do you know what I'm changing? Hold on. Maybe the fact that you left is why the CGI was so bad.
Speaker 2:Maybe it is your fault. No, it's not my fault, because that company didn't exist after I left. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But if they had, then maybe the whole thing wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 3:So in a way it is your fault, bobby.
Speaker 1:We're doing this a show early, because when we get to the next one it'll make more sense yeah, okay, alex, that is the last time you get described as heart of gold okay yeah, I will be thinking of something else for you from the next one, even if, if, if you're actually invited back.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, brilliant, everybody said goodbye to alex, so, um, uh, okay, yeah, so film came out in 1999. Do we have the figures? Yes, we do 361 million turnover from a budget of 135 million. This film was released less than two years after the release of. Tomorrow never dies, um, so I mentioned in the intro where the concept for this film came from. So we're past the era by now of borrowing stuff from Ian Fleming novels. They've kind of done that, so now they're on their own making stuff up, and Barbara weren't some lines for Valentin, cut from Goldeneye, though, and used in this?
Speaker 2:I don't know, did you see that?
Speaker 3:sorry listeners. I think Bobby's got some fancy camera because when he started thinking the camera zoomed in dramatically on him without him knowing and I got to see right up his nostril no, that was the force.
Speaker 2:I used the force for emphasis to bring the camera to me. So, um so, barbara broccoli was on a flight to miami. She saw a news broadcast or a news, one of those news documentary basically. You know, sometimes on the news, rather than giving you the actual news, they sort of do a longer segment and it's like a mini documentary about some thing that's going on in the world that you need to know about, like war or I don't know something like that aids or something anyway. So she saw something that talks about all the oil fields in the caspian sea and how they were not really used because of all the pipelines, all the routes out of azerbaijan uh, they're surrounded by hostile territory because you've got russians, you've got turks and iranians and iraqis and whatnot. I should know what's around there, but I don't um but it felt quite relevant though, to today's problem.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of where where the idea was sort of born from. What did we think of the plot of this film? Because the producers and the director, michael Apted, was brought in as well, famous documentary filmmaker Also, he did Gorillas in the Mist, the Sigourney movie, the Sigourney Weaver movie I still haven't seen that Good, I'm sure it is. Did it win an Oscar? Don't know, it must have done. Feels like something someone would have won an Oscar for. Um, so, um, so, yeah. So he was brought in and, uh, it was, you know, an attempt to kind of get back to a more grounded Bond which, yeah, interesting, brosnan described the villain of the movie played by Robert Carlyle Renard, which is French. Renard, which is French for fox.
Speaker 3:Yes, which he's not in his film. He is not a Fox in this film in any way.
Speaker 2:No absolutely not Fox, but his lover is. We will come to that, and you know, brosnan even went as far to to describe the villain as being the most formidable Bond adversary ever and the most grounded as well. Now how being shot in the head with a bullet that kind of stops and then starts to travel really, really slowly towards the centre of your brain before it kills you, is in any way grounded in reality? I've got no idea.
Speaker 3:There's quite a lot of science fiction there the way it stopped him from feeling everything as well. But he wasn't the arch-villain in this film though, was he? No, he wasn't.
Speaker 2:There was a twist. So I have got the director's notes about this film the story needs and I really, really want to read them to you too. But I guess first of all I should ask you guys memories of when you first saw this, if you can think back as far as 1999, because it was 25 bloody years ago, nearly.
Speaker 3:I don't remember seeing it in a cinema. I have to say, I remember seeing the Michelle Yeoh film in the cinema, but not this one. Alex it must have been a Christmas movie for me.
Speaker 1:I think I would have gone and seen it, but it wasn't a great one. It wasn't that good. There's one person that comes to mind who we'll talk about later.
Speaker 2:Let's just do our ratings and reviews now.
Speaker 4:Alex yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's just it's very forgettable film. There's a lot, I get it. They kind of wanted to do it like back to normal. They wanted to get there's nothing to it, but also it wasn't very good, so I felt like I wasn't particularly excited about it at all whereas I completely disagree with both of you what did I say about it?
Speaker 3:I enjoyed this more than I expected and it was because I think I enjoyed the twist in the plot, because I must have only seen it once on TV, because I was guessing all the way through. I kind of worked out Sophie Marceau was a bad one, a wrong one, but I enjoyed guessing what was going on. I enjoyed the clever way King was killed at the beginning. I enjoyed guessing what was going on. I enjoyed the clever way King was killed at the beginning. I enjoyed having him in it as being kidnapped, which is a new thing. I actually really enjoyed this more than I have done for a few of them. It was quite a different point of view to you, alex, which I find really interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm going to read Michael Apted's Story Needs sheet interesting. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna read, uh, michael aptead's story needs sheet.
Speaker 3:Um, I like the way that sophie marceau was the hidden villain.
Speaker 2:I thought that was a really new and unusual twist to one film, actually, yeah, I mean, I know this film really, really well, um, for reasons we've already discussed and um, I remembered everything about it. Okay, story needs Number one. And do you know what? Feel free to interrupt and comment on whether you think they achieved this or not, or these things or not. There's about. There's 10, basically Okay. So number one Place Renard early in the story. He should be perceived as the villain in block capital letters to deflect any suspicion away from Elektra. It's fun when we learn he is just a henchman. Dramatise his bullet condition early.
Speaker 3:I mean, it wasn't rocket science that she was a Roman, but to be fair, I did think she was Stockholm syndrome. You know where she was a victim? He was not, but it was the way around, really, wasn't it? So I think maybe they did a half job of getting it that far. That makes sense. What do you think, alex?
Speaker 1:They, they. They met that need by describing his condition. They didn't actually show you it and they also didn't really explain why he gets stronger as he gets closer to death. They just talked about him not feeling it, which is fine, but how he became stronger, I just don't know. Um, so yeah, they, they technically met that, but I'm just not bringing an exciting way. They did introduce him early, but that was it.
Speaker 3:I thought Robert Carlisle's acting improved from the beginning of the film towards the end. His first few scenes I thought were pretty tepid and hammed up as a villain, but towards the end his first few scenes I thought were pretty tipped and hammed up as a villain, but towards the end I felt like it was a little bit better. I mean, who knows what all they filmed these scenes in, um, but I just felt like at the beginning when he was talking to his, to his henchmen, it was a bit sort of amateur really, which is unusual for robert carlisle yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed um number two spend more time with bond and electra.
Speaker 2:Let their relationship develop and be believable. So the twist in the story is more devastating to bond. He is being totally duped. Now, john, you seem to be fooled by it because you were very surprised by the twist.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I enjoyed the fact that he was seduced and not the other way around, which is a change for Bond. I enjoyed that when it happened.
Speaker 2:I mean to be fair. He did get his fair share of you know boffs in before that.
Speaker 3:Well, hold on, then Hold on, hold on. Do you want to do the Shag Oldman now? Yeah, I think so. Okay, fine, since I mentioned it. Yeah, I mean, there's the doctor at the beginning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what was her name? Kristen Scott Thomas's sister, by the way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, her character was.
Speaker 1:Dr Molly.
Speaker 3:Warmflash. Miss Dr Molly, warmflash Was that her surname, that was her name. Surname that's her name, that's her. Serena Scott Thomas. She did her own love scenes as well. There's no boiler doubles there, apparently. So it's Dr Dr Molly, warm, warm flash, then obviously Sophie, and then I think there's one more extra part from Denise Richards from Christmas, who only comes once a year. I'm sure there's another one as well somewhere. I think it's three.
Speaker 2:No, because he doesn't do Cigar Girl, does he?
Speaker 3:No, because she blows herself up in a balloon over the O2 Actually in one of the deleted scenes from the film.
Speaker 3:There's a scene where they introduce Raynard a bit earlier in the room where he's sniping from and he's talking to her about her role in it and they're sort of toasting champagne. But he also says if she gets caught she has to top herself off. And it was an unnecessary scene really. And also I think you didn't need to know that Raynard was a sniper at the beginning of the film. It was more interesting finding out later on. But yeah, so I think the Shaq chemistry at the moment which is, I think, pretty standard for Bond I did think Denise Richards, having known she knew he'd been with certainly not with um electra it kind of didn't really match her role that she would just jump into bed with him, really, despite the great puns at the end.
Speaker 2:Anyway, back back to those jump in. She didn't jump into bed with him. They went through quite a lot. She jumped into bed with him at the very end. They didn't jump end.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, yeah, I mean all that you know that whole anyway um 40 minutes of a
Speaker 2:lecture and agenda kill her father, destroy everything about him, all company, friends, and give her a big crazy dream. Destroy the oil economy, find alternative fuel, remove Caspian Sea as viable source and industrial polluting society, not just greed or raising oil prices. So electra's agenda, because I mean it is. I remember the first time I saw it it was a very, very good twist. You didn't really like john says you knew there was something a bit cheeky about her. I'm going to, I'm not going to say a wrong on because, uh, you know again.
Speaker 2:You know towards the end when she says when she says to bond, you know, come on. I was a French student, La boom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Um, I did write down in my notes. I did write down in my note Sophie Marceau is hot at least three times Alex. So you know the job done in terms of Bond girl, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean we've gone off script here because we're meant to be commenting on Michael Laptet's notes.
Speaker 3:Sorry, so go back to number three. Sorry, bob, sorry.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's fine, you know we're just tangent all over the place, but okay, so on the subject of Sophie, Marceau is hot four times is she Diana Rigg hot.
Speaker 3:I think she might be hotter.
Speaker 2:Although I thought the ice cube thing she was doing in front of Renard was a little bit awkward.
Speaker 3:No, not at all. No, no, that was actually quite naughty for Bond, I thought no but I think she could have done it smoother.
Speaker 2:She didn't look very confident with the cube it looked a bit clumsy.
Speaker 3:I think she's helping you with the ADI, I think, or anything else really I don't know yeah, okay, her political agenda I thought was very good.
Speaker 3:I enjoyed that a lot. It actually felt in terms of the grounded kind of feel to the film. I thought she was one of the few villains that had a proper history and reason to want to do what she was doing. You know, obviously Daddy was not very nice to Mummy and the whole background of the people. There's that scene, isn't't there, where she goes and speaks to the um, the priest in the temple and they agree to move the pipeline around. I just thought that was very well developed for her. I I I believed her, her motivations for this I almost sympathized actually yeah, and also the um hatred or resentfulness that she had towards M.
Speaker 2:You know because M it was revealed when she was originally kidnapped, basically told the father not to pay ransoms and not to give in to terrorists. Use her as bait, yeah yeah. So I kind of wanted to kick M in the balls myself for that, actually, because I thought that was quite a cold thing. Well, I mean, they're meant to be like family almost, aren't they? Because her and King were very, very good friends. So anyway, moving on, because we've got a lot to get through.
Speaker 2:Number four compromise Em. She advised her friend King not to pay the ransom. We just talked about all of this, uh. Number five money penny fill. I know I'll just read it because you guys haven't heard this. So number four compromise m. She advised her friend king not to pay ransom. Don't play into terrorist hands. She created electra as a monster. King and electra were family to her. She's devastated by his death, appalled at discovery of Elektra's agenda and deeds, threatened by Elektra. Bond has a healthy respect for M. He argues, disagrees, fights with her, but he is there for her. M has to feel responsibility for Elektra. She never tells Bond the whole story hmm, hmm yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean you don't have to comment on it, you could just say hmm very intelligently and just think about it.
Speaker 3:I think that that was well well achieved as well in the film.
Speaker 1:To be honest, yeah, I think it was. That was probably like tick it did, did that yeah, number five Money, penny Money, penny Money.
Speaker 2:Penny Pennywise fills in the gaps for Bond about M and her involvement with the King family.
Speaker 3:If you say the King family, I think you're swearing Sorry.
Speaker 4:I don't know the King family.
Speaker 2:Why is that swearing? King family, the King family, I is that swearing?
Speaker 1:King family.
Speaker 2:The king family. I don't get it, king.
Speaker 3:L.
Speaker 2:It doesn't sound like that. I said the king family, I didn't say King family. Again, underlines no double underscores. To work with younger co-hosts in future? Um, yeah, but I mean money penny. So let's talk about money penny while we're there, right? So samantha bond again very sassy. You know there's this frisson between her and bond. Will they, won't they? Um, she's always there for him and you know she's almost like a patronus for him, isn't it? So where, where there is stuff that he's not being told by the higher-ups, she's kind of always there to.
Speaker 4:You know, almost like a safety net for him yeah I like samantha bond, I think I I particularly I particularly like the cigar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they really worked on that and then she went.
Speaker 2:I'm going to put that where it belongs and I liked it, but they pause before you see the bin and it's like oh yes, there's an intended joke.
Speaker 3:there isn't there. Yeah, I called it Moneypenny's Cigar Dildo Joke.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, bin joke in my notes but it was nicely timed. Yeah, Number six make Bond discover stuff, especially about the kidnapping. So again, I think they do a pretty good job of that, of him kind of picking up the breadcrumbs as he goes along. I mean, obviously the biggest giveaway was the world is not enough phrase, because she says that to him the world is not enough, James, and then Renard says it, and then he puts two and two together and he still kind of comes up with.
Speaker 3:That's not what they say. What did I?
Speaker 2:say that's not what they say. Oh, there's no point in living if you can't feel alive. Yes, that's it.
Speaker 3:That's the one because his he actually responds to something that Electra says with the world is not enough. That was Bond's line, I'm pretty sure it was the world's. Not enough for you yeah, yeah, I'm trying to find I'm just trying to find where that's in the film it should be Bond's line, because it's his family.
Speaker 1:It's towards the end when he's he goes up to the castle in. Istanbul.
Speaker 3:I mean yeah again, yes, it meant that I could have given you the world Sorry, I could have given you the world and Bond says the world is not enough. Yeah, so she's kind of lamenting on Bond not siding with her point of view and giving up MI6 and becoming her lover and in her campaign to sort out the oil in her neck of the woods.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think I was in a grump.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I think I was in a grump, because I just didn't buy it.
Speaker 3:What the relationship between the two of them.
Speaker 1:I think I struggled to sympathise with an oil baron. I think that was my downfall.
Speaker 3:But she struck me as an inherited oil baron that wants to sort out the problems with oil. You know the whole kind of oil baron issues like putting a pipe through someone's temple or ruining people's lakes, and things, you know, I don't know, I didn't, I just maybe I was in a bad mood.
Speaker 2:I've just realised that going through his notes is actually a really boring thing to do. So, like listeners that are still here, you deserve a medal, um, but we're gonna crack on. Uh, so number six. Oh no, that was number six. Number seven, you'll be glad to know. Uh, electra has to fall for bond, the chivalry, charm and courage. Despite the inconvenience of his arrival in the caspian, she always knows who he he is. I kind of think that most people always know who Bond is in every single movie, like when he turns up, he's circulating a photograph, wouldn't you by now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he's the most, the least secret agent ever.
Speaker 1:He just tells them every time. He's just like who are you? And he's like Bond, james Bond. It doesn't mean they're hidden. It's not hidden at all.
Speaker 2:It's like oh, you think do you think he he's just not listening when he gets his mission brief and he probably gets false passports and all the identification right? Your name is. Your name is lazarus malfoy I don't know where that came from, um, and and you're a credit broker from you know whatever, such and such bank and and he just he's just like looking at some girl across the office in mi6, just not focused whatsoever. So when he gets out on the mission, it's like the first thing is like uh, uh, uh, bond, james bond, oh fuck, give it away again mayhem oh well, um, oh dear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, number eight reverse, I do, you know, I I think ethan hunt is actually a much better spy than James Bond and I think if the two have to go up right, you need it, we need, we need that movie, we need a like Freddie versus Jason, but we need a James versus Ethan Hasn't got the same ring to it.
Speaker 3:Could you bring in an else into that as well, like Jason Bourne, as as as a three way, almost almost no, I would save that for the sequel.
Speaker 2:But I think that, or you do it like a battle royale of films. So ethan hunt, because obviously he's going to kick the living shit out of um james bond. I reckon in a fight ethan hunt would take him and yeah, and then you have Bourne and Ethan go up in the next film, and who wins that one? Probably Tom Cruise, because Jason Bourne is a bit podgy these days.
Speaker 2:Anyhow, where were we? Number 8 reverse Stockholm Syndrome Renard captured the lecturer. She made him her slave. Now what do we think of? I very, I kind of appreciated brosnan's very detailed explanation of what stockholm syndrome is. His irish accent really came out during that explanation and I kind of thought his acting throughout this film. While overall he did a decent job, I thought it was a little bit uneven, so in the bits where he had to be a bit more emotional and you know it sounded a bit um, in spain we call it telenovela it was a bit overdramatic. Does anyone notice that? Is anyone with me on that?
Speaker 3:Like daytime soap, acting you mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, you know he's an established Bond. He might be now comfortable in the role and channeling a little bit of Roger Moore in there for the jokes. You know. The story was that Sean Connery came past at one point when they were filming the escaping from exploding ball scene in the tunnels and Sean Connery said I hope they're paying you enough, or you know they're not paying you enough for this. So I think Brosnan's quite in the role now and comfortable and maybe just having a good, a bit of a good time, does it? I mean, daniel Craig is an outlier. Does it really matter if their acting isn't, you know, oscar worthy? I mean, look at Roger Moore. You know he was a different kettle of fish, wasn't he Completely?
Speaker 2:Yeah, of more films, when they were what they, they knew what they were you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think you know. And daniel craig works as, but as his bond. I'm not gonna say as bond, daniel craig works as his era's bond, because that's what they wanted to do with that era of bond. Yeah, they were trying to kind of do a similar thing with this era of bond, but the problem is for me, this is just my personal opinion. Everyone can disagree, it's fine, but my personal opinion is just that as the Brosnan series went on, it just started to kind of this wasn't not a bad film by any means, and it's certainly not the worst, because the worst is yet to come. That is a really good title for a Bond movie. Pierce Brosnan is back in. The Worst Is Yet To Come. He thought he'd seen 007 at his worst in Die Another Day, but you ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 2:So where was I? So I think there was a tiny wobble in this film with with some of what they were trying to achieve, because it's like the plot itself I thought was a really good root idea, because you're taking a kind of real world thing and then and then you put bond in that situation and work out what the villains would be trying to do in that situation? So someone's trying to bring oil out of the Caspian Sea through all those dangerous places. What are people going to do? They're going to try and sabotage it, right? Um, but then I don't know. There's just it's so hard to put my finger on. And even Dave Arnold. So I raved about Dave Arnold on our last episode, for Tomorrow Never Dies, and I think Dave Arnold, having done such a bang-up job in Goal for the last film, comes back for this one and he goes more towards his kind of synthesizers, and so on.
Speaker 3:Do you know what, bobby?
Speaker 3:And he's just straight just a little bit outside of the tradition that I like In the first 10 seconds of the film when they play the ident where he's walking in front of the barrel and you hear that sort of weird twang to the theme. That's slightly different, a bit sort of synthesizer-y, a bit Harold Faltermeyer, I thought. I checked myself myself and I had to look who's who's done the music and I was surprised to see it was david arnold and I thought of you and I'm banging my mic in anger now. I thought of you when I heard that and thought bobby's going to be upset with this. He's let the side down. Exactly exactly what I thought when I watched the first 10 seconds. There's a weird kind of off-brand twang to the beginning, isn't there? Which is exactly what you're saying yeah, exactly, overall it's a.
Speaker 2:It's a good soundtrack because again it's scored to the film. He hits all the bright moments with the james bond theme etc. I can still play a lot of the themes from my head again not as I haven't got as much of the detail in my mind as I do for the tomorrow never die soundtrack. But you know that whole opening sequence on the river I you know that I've got. That was very, very good. But again it's just the twangy stuff and the electronic stuff, the plinky plink. It kind of took me back to uh, there was a little bit of the specter of see what I did there um, of soundtracks from films like um, live and let die and uh, and the unofficial one, um never say, never again never say never again.
Speaker 2:yeah, and, and you know I'm I'm gonna be watching the next one with interest to kind of see then where he progressed. But, alex, what did you? How did we get onto that? Anyway, we were talking about Stockholm Syndrome, yeah but if you're talking music, I was again.
Speaker 3:I was completely bemused by the theme to this film Because, again, I waited for the credits to roll up to see who sung it Garbage, I know. I was astounded it was garbage, because Garbage had some really good grungy songs out at the time and this was so off their style as well. It is one of the most forgettable Bond themes ever. This one, oh, I disagree. That's how I feel about it. How do you?
Speaker 1:feel, alex, I'd agree, there's nothing. Well, okay, there are nothing wrong with it. There are worse ones. I think that's the thing. There are really bad ones and there are really good ones, and this just sits somewhere in the middle and it has no opinion. There's no. It doesn't get you thinking, it doesn't get you going at all, it's just. And they could do a lot better.
Speaker 3:I doesn't get you going at all, it's just I. They could do a lot better. I wrote down my notes on this. I said the bond theme is very bondy, so it's top points for being on brand with the sound, but it's also james bland it was written.
Speaker 2:Dave arnold wrote it with don black, um, so don black wrote the lyrics. Um, they went for garbage straight away. So I don't think, to my knowledge, any other bands were interviewed or anything. They wanted Shirley Manson to sing this. She was very nervous but glad to do it, but she didn't feel she was worthy of it. Like she says, it was such. It was so cool for her to be singing with a big orchestra and so on, but she was, she was slightly apprehensive. She didn't feel that, you know, she was worthy of it, which I think was just her being humble. Um, and you know they were going for a really big soundscape, which I think they really achieved with it.
Speaker 2:I get, I totally agree with a Alex's point that it doesn't get you going. It's definitely not when it comes on playlist in the Supra, the one that I hammer the foot on the accelerator to. But you know I like it. I don't know if that's also a little bit of bias towards Garbage, because I really love them as a band and a lot of their songs and stuff. But yeah, it's there we go.
Speaker 3:The title sequence is good though, don't you think, bobby? I thought that was good as well.
Speaker 2:I thought one of my notes to ask you guys was is this the best looking title sequence to date?
Speaker 3:I think it's one of the best. Yeah, personally I think it just worked really well.
Speaker 1:It was really competent. I just, I just don't know if it had any heart, but everything about it was competent it had a lot of oil oil in it and there was a lot, a lot of action like and the action was good. Like I mean Brosnan, to be fair, is really good at that and like he loves skiing there's a lot of minute.
Speaker 2:We were talking about the title sequence just now.
Speaker 3:Sorry, we mean the actual, the bits with the ladies dancing covered in oil.
Speaker 1:Alex the title sequence no, I followed that, but that came from the action sequence. You did the, the pre-bit, where didn't you? Yeah, yeah, he falls down.
Speaker 3:yeah, he basically after the balloon explodes over the O2, he falls down on the O2, and that segway from him falling on the O2 to him falling into the tidal sequence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, we haven't got to skiing yet.
Speaker 2:No, we haven't even talked about the opening sequence yet, so we're going to get to stunts and stuff. Anyway, we're almost here. Number nine Make Zukovsky more sinister than a nice twist when he saves Bond's life. I don't think he was more sinister.
Speaker 3:I actually felt really sorry for him.
Speaker 2:I thought Bond was being a real dick to him. Paul Hagrid.
Speaker 3:That's exactly what my daughter said when she walked into the room when he was lying on the floor with his with his shooty shooty walking stick. She went poor Hagrid's been killed and she walked out again.
Speaker 1:I just no, he's. He's not he, he wasn't. It was. It was lovely to see him and and that was the thing it was it was lovely to see him. We really enjoyed whenever he was on the screen. It's brilliant, I really enjoyed it. Um, but but he's not in no way sinister. Yeah, he could kill someone, but he. You never thought that he would even try and kill um bond. He just never.
Speaker 2:It just never crossed your mind yeah, I love when, um, when bond sort of smashes in at the uh caviar cav factory and he turns around and he's like can't you just knock like normal?
Speaker 1:people. Or there's later on the Denise Richards bit. That's fun. It's just like who let you in so I can congratulate them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who let you in so I can congratulate them. Yeah, it was brilliant. Number number 10. This is the last one. Number 10. Get a sense of geopolitical context. Renard and electra are trying to deep stabilize the caspian by a working with internal terrorists. B playing major powers off against each other. C using nuclear devices. I realized I just read that out like it was multiple choice, but no, those were his notes. Um, so did we get a sense of of? Did we get the context of the geopolitical agenda that was going on here, or were we just too busy staring at sophie marceau and her amazing outfits?
Speaker 1:I thought that the last um, the last bond tomorrow never dies did a much better job of that like like it, just because it was, yes, it was literally him creating the news and then then playing off that. So it was really obvious, um, but it did have that feeling of, oh well, you know, china could shoot and then the US could shoot and the UK. Yeah, they did feel like that. Here it was like we were told that it was really important. We kind of started to get the content, but then everything just rattled on.
Speaker 3:You didn't have any shots of Russians in their Navy ships or other workers on their pipelines having some sort of effect. It kind of had the little graphic in the centre to show which pipes were working, the little light showing where the errant pipe machine, the sleigh going down the machine. But you're right, there was no kind of real-world impact, was there.
Speaker 2:No, there wasn't, I mean apart from the little thing about the whole of istanbul getting blown to pieces. But it felt more like this was a localized problem and not something that would really bother the rest of us too much, apart from probably our petrol prices. But then our petrol prices probably wouldn't have gone up because this was oil that wasn't being supplied to the rest of the world. I mean, m does make a comment about how you know it basically is. It is just the little matter of you know there are oil reserves for the next hundred years which you know alex probably spat in his tea when he when he saw that. You know, mr electric vehicle man good, I That'll learn them.
Speaker 2:By the way, listeners, within the last two weeks, I have joined the EV fraternity. We have an IONIQ 6 in the house, but I still have my Planet Killers. So there we go, that's balanced, that's good. Yeah, it was always prophesied that I would bring balance to the force, to the forecourts.
Speaker 3:So, speaking of Planet Killers, should we segue into the final appearance of the BMW in the Bond film, the Z8?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I forgot it was a Z8. I was telling Carolina, oh, that's the Z4, that's the platform that my Supra would eventually be based on.
Speaker 3:The Z4 was the hairdresser's car, wasn't it? No, that was the Z4, that's the platform that my Supra would eventually be based on. The Z4 was the hairdresser's car, wasn't it? No, that was the Z3. Oh you're right.
Speaker 4:I'm going to go and buy one of those.
Speaker 3:The Z8, lovely car. It has a slightly kind of classic style, almost E-type style to it, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it wasn't in the film much and then it got chopped in half, but it had some really cool gadgets on it. So I don't really want to talk about gadgets just yet. So don't worry, Alex.
Speaker 1:Just park it.
Speaker 2:I'm up now. I'm up now. I'm up. No, you're not. So I think, right, let's just go back to cast and crew. So we touched on a couple of people I I do want to talk about, as you can see in my background. I want to talk about this man, desmond wellen, who sadly died just after the film was released in a car crash.
Speaker 2:Uh, he was badly injured and he died a few days later. Yeah, movie came out in november. He died in december and it wasn't intended, but in the film it's just the most beautiful send-off for him. And you know, I remember when I saw it, um, the second time, because obviously the first time I saw it he wasn't dead yet um, it really did bring a tear to my eye and even to to this day I just feel so sad when I see him disappearing into the floor when he gives Pierce Brosnan his last bit of advice. You know, never let them see you bleed and all of that, and always have a getaway plan.
Speaker 3:It's just really sad His name was the character. Oh, that's what Q yeah when he's posing as an Avis representative in Tomorrow Never Dies. His name badge reads Quentin Quigley.
Speaker 3:So it may not be his actual name, but what a nice little touch that is. But you know, he appeared in 17 films and despite that his on screen presence is about 30 minutes in total. But he's actually the only actor to work with the first five official James Bonds and he actually thought that Timothy Dalton was closest to Ian Fleming's vision of Bond, which I wouldn't pass him as being wrong, to be honest. But yeah, I agree with you, bobby, when he went down into the floor that was lovely, wasn't?
Speaker 3:it. It was really nice, and he was being proper feisty at that scene as well, wasn't he?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, do you know what the thing I liked actually? Because then we get introduced to R, played by John Cleese, before he went completely politically nuts and you know.
Speaker 3:John Cleese, the John Cleese that we know from days of yore, we all love, not on the tax dodging idiot.
Speaker 2:Right now, you mean Well, no, not now, I mean from you, not now I mean from. Yeah, yeah, you know Anyway. So Not to bark at Dave.
Speaker 3:Although, in with love, out with hate, in with love, out with hate, go on, you can do it, bobby.
Speaker 2:Out with hate, in with love. Out with hate, in with love.
Speaker 3:Out with hate, in with love. He's turned into Bade. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Babe, he's turned into bade. Oh, my god, babe, I am a babe. Thank you, um, so, um. So anyway, I was introduced now. Our I don't think was intended to be a replacement for q at this stage, um, but desmond lewennan had been asking for q to have an assistant for the last four movies and they finally relented and introduced John Cleese as R. And the thing that I really love, because I love the interplay between Q and Brosnan's bond since you know, the first time they appeared together in Goldeneye, and this time it's almost like, like the dynamic shifted slightly and you see Q and Pierce Brosnan next to each other and they're taking the mick out of oh, and Q looks like he's really enjoying it. So I think Desmond Llewellyn obviously is really, really enjoying it and they really really do do what's the word? Wind him up.
Speaker 3:It's a bit of bullying really, isn't it?
Speaker 2:light hearted bullying almost workplace banter workplace banter, exactly, but you know our John Cleese is given the task of explaining the car to him. But to be honest, I just wasn't listening. I completely got distracted just watching the relationship between pierce brosnan and desmond llewellyn and it's just it's so fun and it's it's just beautiful.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, so farewell. Rest in peace, dear man, and thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you for the enjoyment you've brought um over the course of your time playing that very wonderful character. Um, who else was in this that we didn't talk about? Oh, cigar girl. She was played by italian actress maria garcia um. She was all right, wasn't she?
Speaker 3:she was an interesting character she was an interesting character, wasn't she? You've probably read this as well, wasn't she first considered for the role of Electra as well?
Speaker 2:I didn't read that.
Speaker 3:So she was first considered for the role of Electra but her English just wasn't good enough. But she was desperate to be in the film so they kind of wrote this role for her as Cigar girl. I think it's the one of the first um duberon tondras that bond makes in the film, isn't it as well?
Speaker 2:uh, in the opening scene in the swiss bank?
Speaker 3:yeah, when they're meeting, meeting with the um british actor with terrible accent?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think she says something like do you want to check the figures, mr bond? And he says I'm sure they're perfectly well rounded um yeah, as he looks at my figures, yeah um. So yeah, look um, let's. Let's, because I really want to get to gadgets, but we've got to talk about some of the stunts and stuff first of all.
Speaker 2:So, uh, stunts and action sequences there were one, two, I think, three main ones, uh, so we had the opening. So let's talk about the opening first of all. Um, opening to a bond film we, we got none, not one but two, because obviously we got him in the swiss bank at the beginning retrieving the suitcase of money. I have a comment about his escape out of that window his belt loops on that suit would have had to have been very, very tough, like I mean imagine you probably designed them for him, didn't he surely?
Speaker 4:he's made bulletproof suits in the past so maybe he made like, like, like climbing quality loops like like mini carabiners around his waist, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, fair enough, but that was kind of exciting. But then he goes back to MI6 and the briefcase blows up, so he's inadvertently acted as the missile for killing King. And then we get that boat chase on the River Thames which was freaking awful Now I know awful which was awesome, Awesome, yeah.
Speaker 4:Why was I?
Speaker 2:going to say awful. Anyway, john, you lived in Canning Town at the time, so you were around there when this was all happening.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure they were filming it. When I lived there, I remember the hubbub of it all Lots of boats, because they didn't just use one boat, there was loads of them. They kept trashing it. But yeah, I had a window out where my flat could look across to the O2 and across to the cranes and things that had all the camera crew. It was quite a tricky one for them to film because I think didn't they have to observe a lot of of speed limits on the Thames as well? It was quite strict about speed limits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I expect, so, yeah, I had the police on hand because obviously members of the public were calling 999 when they heard gunfire and stuff, so it could just bring through to the bodies that were there.
Speaker 3:On the extra features, you can watch that scene with all the camera angles expanded out, so you can. There's like five different windows.
Speaker 3:So, you can watch the filming of that from the different. And then they also. They cut between them and it's fascinating to see how the director photography and the director kind of set that up so they could cut between them and get those lovely shots, and shots that weren't even used, like when the rocket boat spins on the spot when it turns direction. It's really cool If you ever get a chance to see it. The kind of expanded view of that scene is really fascinating to watch. But I think do we see scenes like this anymore in films? It's interesting, wasn't it? Because you get a lot of stunts. But this is, you know, the fact. They can paint this story in these sort of 10 minutes, 12 minutes, whatever it was. It's very well filmed, I thought, and I did recognise again.
Speaker 3:I recognise like Old Haunts, because they obviously got through Sorry Keys, because you can see sorry keys in some of the scenes as well, so it's fascinating just looking at the different area, it's nice to see in a film somewhere that you know, isn't it? Come on, it's very good if you've done the clipper.
Speaker 1:It's nothing like that, but it kind of reminds you of it. It's just the Thames. That part of the Thames is it's kind of reminds you of it. It's just the Thames. That part of the Thames is it's kind of unloved a bit, but it's just quite nice, Like if you do the run up to Greenwich, that's good.
Speaker 3:The jump over the boat where it does a full 360 burrow roll. It felt like a nod towards not Live and Let Die. Was it Live and Let Die where he did the crossing over the bridge, the famous barrel roll in the car crossing? Was it Not Live and Let Die I?
Speaker 1:can't remember. I have to look it up.
Speaker 3:Look it up. But that very famous that we all thought was fake was actually really done. That barrel roll across the American River. I thought this was almost like a homage to that, to that flip over as well, and again the american river. I thought this was almost like a homage to that, to that flip over as well, and again, an incredible thing to do over water really good, yeah, it's good, I've seen it still wows you 20 years later, 30 years later I think the golden gum number, the golden gun.
Speaker 2:Thank you yeah, except this time around the music was actually appropriate. Um, and then the next big sequence was the ski sequence, the one that you guys mentioned last time out, where you said that the cgi was really shonky and horrible.
Speaker 4:This is not see me.
Speaker 2:I wasn't even concentrating because I was really staring at the screen and I kept turning around to carolina saying cgi is not bad, is it like?
Speaker 3:no, there's a couple of green screens in this scene, but it wasn't too bad. Yeah, have you seen Die Another Day.
Speaker 2:Yes, obviously I've seen all of them, but surely you know the scene that we mean. I mean now, thanks to the bondophone.
Speaker 3:Huh, surely you know the scene that we mean in Die.
Speaker 2:Another Day. I know, yeah, and him right, and there's some big backdrop, some wave, it's surfing surfing on like a missile casing or something like that yeah, yeah, yeah, or a scooter. I had nothing to do with that film yeah, anyway.
Speaker 3:So this scene was great, this boat scene was excellent.
Speaker 1:I thought yeah, it was, it was really good yeah don't forget boat sat nav.
Speaker 2:Boat sat nav, yeah, okay look we're not talking about gadgets, yet. Not gadgets. Yet Alex, alex Down Down boy. Okay, all right.
Speaker 3:Back in the LCD screened box.
Speaker 2:So the funny thing with the ski sequence right, so they jump out of the helicopter to start skiing, you know, and then there's all that sort of funny lovey-dovey we're getting to know each other getting to know you music.
Speaker 2:And then all of a sudden outcome and I, I straight away turn around and caroline and I were both laughing. We're like bond villains on a mountain top. They, they do it only one way, don't they? They have those little snowmobiles with their little skis on them and a flipping fan at the back, and off they go with their little skis on them and a flipping fan at the back and off they go with their little machine guns.
Speaker 3:These vehicles are called apparently called parahawks. Yeah, they were all suspended.
Speaker 2:So they, so they were suspended on wires. I think yeah, and, and so the only real cgi was actually the taking the wires out of the scene, um, which they did a really really good job of on my computers um yeah, well done, so you should uh, yeah, lovely v formation, aren't they all very organized? Yeah, very nice they can't shoot for shit, though.
Speaker 4:They're like stormtroopers, they can't eat anything yeah, that one's got anything to say, yeah, and then it's true, uh, next action sequence would be big action sequence would be the submarine.
Speaker 2:Then at the end, wouldn't it really? Oh no no, no, no there's the pipe, isn't there. There's the, yeah, the pipe, and also the caviar factory as well.
Speaker 3:Sorry, yeah, but then it's them underneath, going inside the tube as well, which is a separate stunt sequence, isn't it as?
Speaker 1:well yeah, that's that's right.
Speaker 3:There's Denise and Bond trying to escape the room with the nuclear thing in it. Yeah, yeah, that's at the end and the door's shutting and opening and then, as you say, it's the. I quite enjoyed the caviar factory. It's a very iconic sequence. I think it was featured quite a lot in the BMW adverts as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's at the end, when Zukovsky says to his henchman, he's like oh look, we can rebuild it. We have four good standing walls, and then the whole thing collapses.
Speaker 4:Oh bless.
Speaker 2:Yeah and then the submarine sequence at the end, and it was really funny In my little book of notes and stuff they don't talk that much about it that was very well done.
Speaker 4:It was a huge thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was very well done. Very well done, I don't know, because they must have had to use a real submarine and the fact that when it starts diving to the bottom of the sea and they all get sort of flipped over and start dropping down that was very well done.
Speaker 2:They must have had to build an entire set that moved for that. So it was. It was built on the submarines right, the nuclear core part of the submarine. The reactor room was built on a stage at pinewood yeah the submarines. Underwater exterior shots were filmed with a 45-foot model over five weeks from March 24, 1999, one mile offshore from the Clarion Resort in the Bahamas.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah. Nice, I presume they had to comp the swimmers back into that and swimming out the door and up the top. Yeah, yeah, I just thought it was very done. I mean there's been some dodgy old special effects in Bond films in the past and in the future, but I thought this was very well done, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah it was fine.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the submarine scene was a bit distracting, though I know what you're thinking.
Speaker 3:It was like a constant, exactly what I're thinking.
Speaker 1:It was like a constant.
Speaker 2:It was like a solo different levels of wet t-shirt competition. It's hard, isn't it?
Speaker 3:Because they were different times, weren't they? I did feel for poor old Denise, because it must have been difficult to get past those pipes and things. Bless her, and it's, you know, not practical. Was it really that? Get up? Let's be honest.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:And she got slated for it as well. She did I feel really bad.
Speaker 2:I didn't think that was fair on her, she just was doing her job. She was doing what she was told to do and I think with what she was given. You know she did the best that she could.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think she was fine. I think, yeah, you don't really get Denise Richards for depth.
Speaker 3:Although I thought she was absolutely brilliant in Starship Troopers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was actually. Yeah, that's true, that's very good.
Speaker 3:I mean, she doesn't know herself with that. What was the other film, the one with wild? Things yeah, with nev campbell and um, yeah, that was a what was going on there. Good as me, everyone goes I am.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen that film, I've just seen. I don't know, you're a teenager. Dvds are a new thing. You can suddenly jump to scenes. What do you do? I think we should move on. Yes, I think you're right. Apparently Wild Things. There are about 5 or 6 sequels after that. Didn't Felipe marry one of the?
Speaker 4:actresses in that film. No, he was married to five or six sequels after that?
Speaker 3:Didn't Felipe marry one of the actresses?
Speaker 2:in that film.
Speaker 3:No, he was married to Reese Witherspoon, wasn't she in Wild Things?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:Oh yes she was.
Speaker 3:She was the third one.
Speaker 2:Because Nev Campbell and Denise Richards were the two naughty girls which I always found a bit weird, because Nev Campbell, for for me, was like the sort of girl that you brought home to your mom.
Speaker 3:And Denise Richards. Well, she's Sydney, isn't she? She's Sydney.
Speaker 2:She is Sydney. What's your favorite scary movie, John? Um, uh, yeah. Oh, that reminds me I need to see scream six.
Speaker 4:Have you you seen the new screen?
Speaker 2:movies. Hey, no, you don't. It's very bad. Oh really, I want to watch. I'm gonna watch it anyway.
Speaker 3:All right, don't tell me anything about it.
Speaker 2:I like screen fighting off topic good, give it up, yeah, so so once yeah, um, okay, cool, right, alex, you're up gadgets, let's do it alex there's a lot of gadgets. There were a lot, that's a lot of gadgets, so let's so where should we? Start. I don't know Well, I guess the opening scene he uses some, doesn't he?
Speaker 1:So in the open scene, what have you got? You've got the boat.
Speaker 2:Q's boat Before that in the bank, in the Swiss bank. Oh yes, he puts the gun on the table.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's right. So he puts the gun on the table. Yes, that's right. So he puts the gun on the table and he's got the detonated glasses. That's it Detonated glasses.
Speaker 3:Gadget man, I didn't really know how they worked. There's a close-up of them flopping open and then all hell broke loose.
Speaker 2:Listeners. Just in case you're confused Gadget man is now Alex's name for the next five minutes.
Speaker 1:Yes, gadget man go yeah, I think, I think what they were meant to do is there's meant to be a switch on the on the corner so that when you open it it connects I think that was what they were trying to go for on the glasses itself, um, and then it was remotely connected to the, to the, um, uh, to the gun, um. But you're right, it made no sense like why would you make such an elaborate trigger?
Speaker 3:I, I have no idea yeah, so then I think, the next one in that, because that's you're going that far back to the end of the film, you've got to include the um, the label, the pin on his jacket that sets the, the money off. That's what?
Speaker 1:yes, so then you get onto the palpin. Yeah, um, which is a key part of it, um, what else do we have? We've got a boat, the boat, yeah, we've got the boat. We've also got the um I can't remember where this bit was the visa card skeleton key, oh yeah, where he moves it to the side and it just flips out. Keep going, keep going away thing.
Speaker 3:Well, why would you? Why would you have, um, a skeleton key as a credit card, when you could just put a skeleton key in your pocket and just use it?
Speaker 1:who's I've no idea. I assume that it's because he can't search for it like yeah, that's what I'd assume is why you could be searched, or maybe even you could use it as a product placement yeah, you could use it as a product placement in a film.
Speaker 2:That would work really well no, no, sorry, I was doing product placement. You were doing product placement it's subliminal it keeps flashing every like, did you see? It keeps popping in. Can I can't? Oh yeah, what about the gun bagpipes? I quite like the gun bagpipes.
Speaker 3:Did you see it?
Speaker 2:It keeps popping in. Can I can't? Oh yeah, what about the gun?
Speaker 3:bagpipes. I quite like the gun bagpipes.
Speaker 2:Not only that the freaking flamethrower. Those bagpipes were lethal. Carolina found the key in the credit card. Carolina found that really cool. I think that was actually her favourite gadget, was it really?
Speaker 1:All right, I would have gone with the X-Ray specs she's a very practical person.
Speaker 3:I'll bet you would.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the X-Ray specs, because they were blue tinted, which was nice, and then the filter that they showed was hilarious.
Speaker 3:It showed all the ladies' underwear, but not the men's.
Speaker 1:I know they showed was hilarious. It showed all the ladies' underwear, but not the men's.
Speaker 2:I know it's very sensitive.
Speaker 3:I took photographs, actually, let me see. So they filmed. The actors had to film twice for that scene. They filmed them with their clothes on and then they filmed them with the special clothes that showed the outliers, the guns and sort of translucent, and they did like a double matte of both. There was one gadget. There was one gadget that made me feel like they were getting ready for Die Another Day. That was an utterly ridiculous sound section, which is the holographic floor, with that hologram of Raynar's face head spinning around.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 3:Bond's putting his finger into his brain, trying to tweak his that's it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're really pushing it a bit, I think. For me, I was more excited by the practical ones this time, yeah. So the ones that I loved practically were the Avalanche survival jacket. It was very cool, that was cool.
Speaker 3:Is that a real thing? I?
Speaker 1:don't know, that's a good question.
Speaker 2:You know, it's kind of a bit like I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 4:You know, it's kind of a bit like you know those cycling helmets that you wear the band around your neck.
Speaker 2:It looks like it should be, doesn't it? Yeah, right. So can I just go back to the X-ray specs Because it's a bit inconsistent, because when we first see how they work and there's the two girls at sort of the wheel of fortune thing bending over you can see, I'll tell you what you can see you've you've got this. You can see that thing that goes around the lady's waist, and then it has the straps that hold the stockings up I don't know what that's.
Speaker 2:Suspenders, you mean suspenders, suspenders, oh okay, uh, thanks, you can see the knickers. You can see the knickers. You can see they're not wearing anything else underneath that dress. And then when you go to the shot of the guy at the bar, the other henchman with the two girls either side yeah, you're right. Like you can't see through his clothes, you can only see his guns and a knife, but the two women you can't see their. Like his guns and a knife but the two women you can't see their bras or anything. You can just see the guns.
Speaker 3:So it's maybe okay, I can't believe we're discussing this, but maybe the girls in the first part were wearing thinner, more sort of sheerer clothes and the ladies with the henchmen had more sensible sort of layered clothing on yeah but then if they were?
Speaker 2:wearing sheer, he wouldn't need the x-ray specs, would he?
Speaker 1:no, maybe not. I'm just surprised that in in all of the film these are the bits that are confusing you. There's no other bits that are confusing you, like, like the whole, the whole, the whole thing with going along in the inside of an oil pipe. You're fine with that. Or the elaborate way of that's all good, that's fine. Or the hologram is absolutely fine, it's just the x-ray specs. They're inconsistent.
Speaker 3:To be fair to Bobby, I'm now looking at both his pictures too. I think I found the same website as him.
Speaker 2:Shut up, john, you're just grabbing your screenshots.
Speaker 3:I can't show you because of, I say, website as to him, and there is a marked difference. Shut up, john. You're just grabbing your screenshots. No, I'm not, I'm going look. I can't show you because of the stupid backgrounds, but the girls bending over the Wheel of Fortune are way less stressed than the ladies at the bar. I think one of the ladies might be a manager, I can't tell for sure. Yeah, completely different.
Speaker 2:To be, fair. All of the blue x-ray stuff, dresses and stuff is all animated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's just say it's not the finest hour, is it?
Speaker 2:Did we talk about the Z8?
Speaker 1:No, we haven't got to the Z8, but yeah, oh, okay, sorry Between women in casinos Denise Richards, nips, sophie Marceau.
Speaker 2:just generally, it was a very hard film to concentrate on, quite a sweaty film.
Speaker 3:This wasn't it, let's be honest. That's why the plot surprised us, isn't it? We weren't paying attention that much.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's what it was about, right? Sorry, when are we, the Z8?
Speaker 1:No, we're not there yet, yeah, so we did the Z8. Well, there is a Z8, yes, I bet this is given up. With. I think it was the. Stinger missiles.
Speaker 4:Yeah and I remember the control keychain as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes that's right and the steering wheel with the targeting system. That was really cool.
Speaker 3:Yes, exactly. Oh, yeah, that's, cool, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:Then we got those helicopters with the blades on them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly the tree. Shredder things yeah yeah, they're pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Three shredder things yeah yeah they're pretty cool and Zukovsky's cane with. It's actually a gun.
Speaker 3:Cane gun, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2:I mean the power of Omega.
Speaker 3:Oh, that was good. The Seamaster, yeah, with the flashy lights on it With the flashy lights.
Speaker 2:I can't think of anything. Get one of those for about two grand still, apparently. There was the torture lights. I can't think of any. Get one of those for about two grand still, apparently.
Speaker 3:There's the torture chair which is behind me on my background there.
Speaker 4:It's not really a gadget though.
Speaker 2:It's an ancient gadget. Yeah but it's not called, Do you know? I think we should really restrict talking about gadgets to the ones that we would actually want to buy if they were in Curry's or PC World or whatever it's called these days Okay, apart from the Parahawks, it's better really, isn't it?
Speaker 3:Let's be honest. Yeah, yeah, but I think you're right. I think my favourite was the Inflatable Jacket. I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2:That wasn't my favourite.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:I think Alex is diving out and he's going to come back in because he's got some internet issues.
Speaker 3:I think he's gone off to eBay to buy a £2,000 Omega Cine. He needs to buy them.
Speaker 2:He's gone to check the casino. He's gone to check the casino scene again. So gadgets, okay. Fine, we could talk about clothes, John, because usually that's more me and you.
Speaker 3:I wrote something down, okay.
Speaker 2:So what we what, what? What did you add to your? If money were no object? I would want one of those. What in terms of the clothing?
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, yeah, I loved his linen suit a lot. I mean you have to have the frame of Brosnan to wear that, um, but I still think also the classic dark suit with no tie, um, uh, deep open the pale which was, I think, the look for the Oscars this year as well, and it's a lot of open the pales of the Oscars, hemsworth, um, danny Jr To them, but a few Hemsworth, danny Jr, to name but a few. I like that a lot and actually, interestingly, he managed to get away wearing that inside the Dr Arrokoth suit when he was trying to go undercover in the nuclear works. He's still wearing that wonderful bleach white shirt underneath it that he's wearing the very big lapels.
Speaker 4:Did you?
Speaker 2:I was going to say did you notice the change in jacket style for this film? On every single suit he wore, apart from the tux.
Speaker 3:They're all three. I mean, yeah, it was very nice you need, but you need. You'll know this. But his frame is quite good. I think that my frame wouldn't work with this jacket personally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I'm not a big fan of three buttons generally because to make them work you need to be able to do the top button up, and I think they work better on guys who are a bit thinner and a bit more rakish, you know, like the Bill Nighy type sort of frame.
Speaker 3:But then we saw bond with his kit up a few times and he's fairly rakish, isn't he? He's not. He's not got the chest of daniel craig, has he? You know, the pecs?
Speaker 2:no, he hasn't. I mean daniel craig's brief to his trainer when he got the role for casino is I need you to make me look like I'm I could kill someone? Yeah, um, and you know, mission accomplished. But um, yeah, my favorite I I always thought my favorite outfit from this film was his linen suit. Right, yeah, me too, the herringbone linen suit. But um, actually my favorite was the tux, and it just goes to show, I mean, that is essentially, you know, the tux that daniel craig wearing casino royale one button, single-breasted peak lapel.
Speaker 2:um, when he, when he leaves the bed to then go and do bond stuff, like you know, shoot the henchman and you know, get the doctor's id and stuff, um, he puts his tux back on to go and do that, but without the bow tie and he just looks so suave and cool and sophisticated and stuff. So, yeah, so that was my favourite outfit of his. For me I would dress like that during the day actually.
Speaker 3:We do need to point out the wonderful which I think you mentioned very small, lovely tweaking of the tie as he's going underwater in the boat yeah, in the boat. Exactly that was a nod to Goldeneye I think it was his idea to do that as well.
Speaker 2:I just thought that was brilliant because of all the places you do it when you're going underwater it was the same as in Goldeneye when he does it on the tank, when he smashes through that wall and he adjusts his tie. I think we should also talk about the girls outfits, because Denise Richard, when she gets out of that hazmat suit sorry, my brain just skipped again there was that purple outfit in the caviar factory.
Speaker 3:Let's talk about Lara. Sorry, my brain just skipped again. There was that purple outfit in the Javier factory. No, forget it.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about Lara Croft outfit. Well, yes, yes, because I didn't remember she was wearing the little shorts and the boots and everything. When she took the first bit off, I was like, oh please, please, be dressed like Lara Croft. Oh my God, I sound so sad. And then she was and I was like, oh my God, christmas just came Well literally yeah, you're right and yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm just watching it now, that scene and Bond's talking to the foreman there who thinks she might be gay because she didn't. She spurned his advances. So he's like she's obviously not into women and not into men, as he's saying that she's taking off her hazmat suit and is a bit of a tutor spending over cleavage shots. And again you can see why she got a lot of grief for this film. But she holds her own in it a little bit. I think, if you ask me, she owns it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you know there was a little throwback for me to Diamonds Are Forever. Could you remember the actress in that? The American actress? Yeah, you know she came Spunky, yeah, a bit clunky in places, but you know again, know, I'm not going to be too hard on her.
Speaker 3:Um so, and that's where everyone stopped listening.
Speaker 2:I'm so sorry, I didn't mean that. I meant it as. I meant it as not like I'm not going to be tough on her yeah, no, no, I know yeah, that's what I meant, you as not. I'm not going to be tough on her, yeah, no, no, I know that's what I meant.
Speaker 3:You're so dirty oh my god, do you know what? We've hit?
Speaker 2:a real high with that last Tomorrow Never Dies review and we've just sunk to the depths like that submarine.
Speaker 3:We will be much more progressive as our films get more modern. Boys and girls, we really will. It's just yeah, we're going gonna be so serious for the daniel craig era.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, so um, sophie marceau. I think she just looked incredible. Everything she wore, like whoever did the costume, costume design and dressed her. My god, I mean it I don't know if it's a french thing as well, like that whole, you know so qua well, they, they're sort of lacy chiffons with like flat, like plants and things, I mean it's like
Speaker 3:sort of a with with with whoever designed it. Just some very clever things to to cover her modesty but also show off her figure. That was very well done. She looked very glamorous when she had her hair up, and even the earring, which was a plot device, was very clever as well. I thought that was very well designed. Yeah, with some very, very obvious CGI as she moved her head around, I noticed. But yeah, I'm just looking at her twin set. Look with the twisted pearls around her neck, creating this choker, and the matching earrings. That was very, very money, money, money, wasn't it? You could tell that she was, you know, showing off her wealth there. It's very good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, alex, we were talking about outfits. You may have guessed Any favourite. What did you think overall of the way that Brosnan dressed in this film? We were talking about the fact that every single one of his suits was a three button single breasted. So a little bit of a boxier fit for this movie from the previous outings.
Speaker 1:He looked sharp, didn't he? It was quite a nice one.
Speaker 3:I think I just like his linen most.
Speaker 1:I think I think it came across really well. I think no, I mean, I think, yeah, I think it just came across really well. So I don't think there was anything to fault him on. That was brilliant, yeah, and also because he did a lot of action this time. So you got to see him doing lots of different things and I think that helped him stand out a lot, because he was always sharp. Even when he was like falling down a submarine or whatever, he was still like, oh yeah, he's still wearing a suit, though, or still it's called um. I can't remember if it was down to a, down to a shirt and trousers at that point, but but yeah, so yeah, no, it's really good. But I feel like I left and then you guys just started talking about the, the bond girls again, and it's like a record. A record, you've got stuck no we weren't, alex?
Speaker 2:we were being deadly serious and we were just talking about brosnan's outfit.
Speaker 1:Okay, I take that back then.
Speaker 2:Not enough listeners if you tell on us, we will kill you. Um, okay, so this movie has a an aggregate score of about 54 percent on rotten tomatoes, um, on, uh, I know it's 51, I think. Uh, average rating of 5.6 out of 10, I think. On IMDb, 57 out of 100 on Metacricket, where they go to play cricket in the metaverse. So, roger Ebert, he said at the time that the film was a splendid, comic thriller, exciting and graceful, endlessly inventive, and he gave it a stonking 3.5 stars out of four. Did he really say that?
Speaker 4:he did.
Speaker 2:Apparently that's what I thought, which gives you a clue as to where this is going. Um, and the independent antonio quirk at the time said the film is certainly less definitively feeble than other recent bond offerings with an at least two-dimensional female character in the bold and oval mask. So, but my reaction is much the same as to a new rolling stones album. I'm just grateful that it's not embarrassing. Um, so, uh, what did we think? Um, oh, variety said that. Um, denise richards was the least plausible nuclear physicist in the history of movies, which makes even the electrochemist that elizabeth shu played in the saint sound like a noble laureate.
Speaker 1:Um, this was his worst one. So out of all of this his films this was his worst film rosnan no, I disagree, it wasn't his worst.
Speaker 2:You mean the worst is yet the worst is yet to come oh, no his worst today.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? In terms of reception, this is his worst one. When, when you look at the critical, when you look at the tomato rating, then, yeah, this is the lowest of the Brosnan ones. Yeah, in fact, it's really low Generally. There's a few that are lower, which are a couple of um, roger Moore ones, um, well, do you know?
Speaker 3:it's really interesting, alex, because you know my point earlier on about how I thought Brosnan was was channeling channeling his inner Roger Moore, pete. Uh, his inner Roger Moore, pete. Debruge of Variety wrote in 2012 that the film presents a conflicted persona, torn between the corny antics of the Roger Moore era and the grim seriousness of where things would eventually go under Daniel Craig's tenure. So I feel vindicated there really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does sit like between. There's a few poor, poor Moorlands underneath, but yeah, no, it wasn't great. Do you want a rating?
Speaker 2:No, sorry, no, no, no, no, not yet Not you, john, first, as always. And that's not, you know, it's just that his name comes before yours in the alphabet. No, I was skipping ahead and I was just reading about diet another day and that's why I'm coughing, because I've just read someone's review of it and I'm like that guy must I want whatever that guy was smoking. Send it to me please. Anyway. Um, john, yes, my ranking. I'll give it a solid eight.
Speaker 3:I really enjoyed the film um Send it to me please. Anyway, John, yes, my ranking. I'll give it a solid eight. I really enjoyed the film, I know.
Speaker 2:I know. No, no, no, sorry, sorry. I thought we were talking about dying of a day. Sorry, carry on.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no. I haven't seen it for a long time. I can't remember it, apart from the dodgy CGI. But for this film I'm going to give it a solid eight. I enjoyed it. It lost points on the theme tune. I genuinely quite like Denise Richards' character. I think she got more grief than she deserved, so I'm going to give it eight. I left that film last night because I watched it very recently thinking do you know what? That's one of the ones I've enjoyed more.
Speaker 2:So I'm going gonna give it a solid eight. And you know what? As we've said before, it doesn't matter what people think of a film. If you enjoyed it. Yeah, you were engaged and having a great time.
Speaker 1:That's, that's all that matters um alex I. I'm not gonna rate it as badly as his rotten tomatoes, but I'll give it. I'll give it a six and a half. I think it was technically well executed, but I didn't think it had any soul, and I think that the lovely Bond girls would normally make up for that. But I've laughed in more Roger Moore films than this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but you've got to remember as well, Alex, that this film was turned into a first-person shooter by Electronic Arts as well. That's got to add some kudos to it.
Speaker 1:But it's not Goldeneye. If it was Goldeneye, it would be basically Goldeneye.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you can compete with.
Speaker 1:But, um, but yeah, no, it's fine, there's nothing. Well, there's nothing specific wrong with it, but it's just this there's not as much good at it than I thought, and when I think about it and I compare it to something like, uh, boom raker, for example, which is ridiculous in many, many ways. I enjoyed that more and I just it's so wild it was, and that's the.
Speaker 1:That's the thing you got. Why am I here? I mean, yeah, it's a, it's a credible film, but it but it wasn't as as entertained. Um sorry, denise Richards, it's not enough.
Speaker 3:Or maybe your boobs are not enough.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, he said it he went there. Can I ask you a question, Alex? Was this better than Tomorrow Never Dies.
Speaker 4:Ooh.
Speaker 1:Ooh, no, no, it wasn't, it just wasn't. Michelle Yeoh was stronger on this and so do you want me to?
Speaker 2:change. Your Tomorrow Never Dies.
Speaker 4:Rating to 6.5 and give this a 6? Is that why I did?
Speaker 3:it you do. What did I give?
Speaker 2:Tomorrow Never Dies, bobby you gave it an 8. To be fair, john, you give most films an 8. I love, I love these films.
Speaker 3:I'm going to change my rating to this one.
Speaker 1:I'm going to change it to an 8.5 could you swap mine around, please, bobby, and hopefully everyone can keep track, but this is not better than Tomorrow Night at Freddy's so can I ask you another question was this film better than Diamonds Are Forever?
Speaker 2:Can I ask you another question Was?
Speaker 1:this film better than Diamonds Are Forever. I don't remember. That was ages ago.
Speaker 2:That was one, sean Connery, the weird one, mustang Las.
Speaker 3:Vegas the space vehicle escaping.
Speaker 1:Space vehicles. Yeah, it probably was, or at least it was on par. What did I give that? Okay, fine you gave that a six.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and was this better? You always give it a six.
Speaker 3:You always give it a six. We haven't got to the Craig ones. You don't like Bond, really, do you?
Speaker 1:I'm saving all my ones for Craig.
Speaker 2:All right, was? Was this better than For your Eyes Only?
Speaker 3:I'm enjoying watching Alex squirm a little bit here are you still talking to me?
Speaker 1:I thought you were talking about John.
Speaker 2:I'm talking to you. When I say John, that means John, shut up. I don't think it is. Does that make sense? You don't think it is. Does that make sense? You don't think it's better than For your Eyes Only? Okay, so then you've given them both a six. Do you want me to change this to a 5.5? Do you want me to change this to a 5.5? Yeah, at the moment.
Speaker 1:This is going down and, down and down. Do you know what? We'll go with 5.5. No, actually can we go with 5? Because, then it aligns with this Rotten Tomatoes. Okay, 5 out of 10.
Speaker 3:51%. Do you think in that case? Do you think, that when you do your ranking for Die Another Day, we could hit a sub-5 rating for a?
Speaker 1:film Possibly.
Speaker 3:Possibly, possibly. No, I've not given myself any. Yeah, I think that's quite possible, bobby, what was your rating for this one?
Speaker 2:So initially I was going with a seven, but then I thought the man with the Golden Gun On Her Majesties and Thunderball, I kind of slightly enjoyed more than this and I think they were kind of slightly better films. Weirdly, I thought I was going to go into this with an eight, but when I rewatched it yesterday, it's just, I don't know. It's kind of like just I don't know it's. It's kind of like, um, it's a bit like an android phone. It seems like a really good idea and it seems really nice on the surface, with its fancy oled displays and the promise of something fresh and new, but when you get into it it's a bit clunky.
Speaker 2:So, um, so, yeah, so, and then I, and then, having done what I did to Alex, I've then gone and looked at everything else and then so I've, I've moved for your eyes only down to a 5.5, and then I've given this a 6 because I did enjoy this more than for your eyes only. Um, yeah, so. So I think do you know what? I'm going to say, 6.5. But then do I need to move Octopussy to a 7? I don't know. I'm going to say 6.5. And the reason it just loses points is because it's a real difficult one with this one, and do you know what keeps flashing in my mind?
Speaker 3:Just to give you a bit of, is it?
Speaker 2:Boots, no, just Sophie Marceau, yeah she is very lovely. Because when she says to him, when he's running after her and she's like you can't kill me, james, not in cold blood and I'm thinking I wouldn't be able to kill her, I'd probably just let her break my neck Anne was not happy about that was she, she was not happy about what. I think she was not happy for him and it also was a bit tragic, wasn't it?
Speaker 3:and also, maybe she was thinking on her sins maybe, but I'm going to change my rating from 8 to 8.75 just because I remember the final sentence of the film about Christmas, so I changed it to 8.75. Just because I remember the final sentence of the film about Christmas, so it changed to 8.75.
Speaker 2:We didn't talk about that. Did we Hang on a minute?
Speaker 3:No, we did not.
Speaker 2:Right, 7.5. There we go, okay, we didn't talk about that?
Speaker 4:No, but we have a very.
Speaker 3:Moonraker-esque ending, don't we? I always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey. That's it Such a good line.
Speaker 2:I was so embarrassed when I saw it in the cinema because I was sat right next to my dad and I was like that's a bit, do you think?
Speaker 3:do you think that they gave her name at the end of the film just for that line? Must have Christmas Jones.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't. She was named by the screenwriters after Christmas Humphreys, the prosecutor in the Derek Bentley case, who first popularised Buddhism in England. So, wade and Purvis, the screenwriters who were brought in for this, they wrote Let Him have it, which was the 1991 movie about the. Was it Derek Bentley? Yeah, derek Bentley, because he was hanged, wasn't he Back in the? I think it was in the 60s maybe. What was the film called? Let Him have it? Oh, let Him.
Speaker 3:Have it, it was a.
Speaker 2:British film about the Derek Bentley case 1950s.
Speaker 4:England.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so they named the character after her Christmas, humphreys.
Speaker 3:Christopher Eccleston played Derek Bentley in that film.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's not as much fun.
Speaker 2:So, and I think Derek Bentley was from Norbury, which is my hometown. I'm going to look that up really quickly. I'm pretty sure he was from Croydon, maybe. Yeah, Derek Brantley. Oh no, hang on, Is that a different fella, Derek Brantley?
Speaker 3:No, that was him, it was.
Speaker 2:Beddington wasn't it Fairview Road in Norbury. Okay, Derek William Beddington of Fairview Road. Yeah, so he was literally a few yeah he actually. He was a few roads from where I grew up.
Speaker 3:And one of the characters in the film called Stella was played by Serena Scott Thomas, who then played Dr Molly Walton Flash as well, was played by Serena Scott Thomas, who then played Dr Molly Walton Flash as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right, there we go. Sister of Kristen Scott Thomas. Okay guys, thank you. I think that about wraps it up. We've gone on for longer than I intended on this one. I thought this would be quick one and done, but there was a lot that happened in that film and there was a lot to unpack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was, there was was a lot that happened in that film and there was a lot to unpack. Yeah, it was, it was. I should have said there was a lot to undress. Damn it, it's the trick there. So sorry, um, but yeah, there we go. So we've just got one more and then we're into daniel craig aren't we excited? Excited, um, but you know it's, it's gotta it's to get worse before it gets better. Cool, thanks guys. John and I saw Dune just this past weekend.
Speaker 3:So that was fun.
Speaker 2:Dune 2, sorry, I say Dune because it just felt like the first movie. I mean that in a good way. It just felt like we'd had a very long intermission and then we went in for the second half yeah, second third, as it turns out, uh, but anyway. So, yeah, we, we, hopefully we'll be getting together to talk about that. Um, thank you so much, guys, and thank you all once again for joining us, especially if you're still here after all of that. You deserve some sort of medal.
Speaker 1:Well done.
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