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Brosnan’s Last Bondathon! We Review Die Another Day!
What do you get when you mix a high-tech invisible car, an ice palace, and a virtual reality shag count? You get "Die Another Day," the James Bond film that had everyone buzzing back in 2002. Join us as we reminisce about Pierce Brosnan's potential final outing as 007 and the marketing frenzy that surrounded this milestone 40th anniversary of the series.
Join us as we celebrate Pierce Brosnan’s 007’s high-stakes final adventure, reminiscing about the film’s iconic moments. We’ll chat about Halle Berry’s legendary entrance, the “mind-bending” virtual reality sequences, and those fantastical gadgets that make Bond, well, Bond.
We’ll also marvel at Rick Yune’s memorable performance and delve into the evolution of Q - and yes, we’ll debate the infamous invisible Aston Martin Vanquish!
Whether you’re a Bond aficionado or just in for the fun, this episode promises a nostalgic, humorous ride through one of the franchise’s most debated films.
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Brosnan Era Bond Movie Analysis
Die Another Day Film Analysis
Discussion of Bond Film Characters
Bond Film Character Development and Homage
Discussion of Gadgets and Critique
Bond Villain Performance Critique
Die Another Day Bondathon Ratings
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hello, tailoring talkers. It's time for a long overdue bond-a-thon. My friends and I are watching the entire james bond movie series, from beginning to end, one movie at a time. We deep dive into each film, covering everything from the plot, clothes, gadgets, cast behind the scenes, stories and our favorite moments. Please help the show by subscribing and leaving us a rating and a review if you're watching on youtube, also join in the comments and let us know whatever's on your mind. Step back into the tailoring talk time machine as we head to 2002. And the 40th anniversary of James Bond. It is time for Die Another Day. It has been a long time coming. I do apologise. We've all had sort of life going on, but I am joined as always by my intrepid bond explorers. I'm totally messing this up. I'm so freaking tired guys um.
Speaker 2:So we have.
Speaker 1:Well, there's astronauts, we bondanauts, I don't know um, bondanauts sounds a bit weird because it's got the word bond in, which is also in bondage. So this has gone downhill already. Yeah, exactly, anyway, right. So joined off first of all by someone who recently has hemorrhaged his bank account by buying the new iPad Pro, because we tend to do everything gadget related together. It is John Shag, count Evans. John, how are you?
Speaker 2:I'm not on the video feed. I have just checked the end of my notes to confirm the Shag Count this film, so I am ready for that. It's quite an unusual one. I'm very well, thank you. Yeah, I went out for an eye test today because my eyesight's failing. And I got there and they said right, which glasses do you want to buy? I said I can't buy any glasses because I spent my money on an iPad.
Speaker 2:So I've just come to figure out how bad my eyes are, and then later on I'll get some glasses my wife's not happy.
Speaker 1:So what you do, John, is you hold your new iPad Pro M4 up in front of you and just use the camera so you look at the ipad screen while the ipad looks at the real world.
Speaker 2:yeah, that's how you do it really again another one of those, and I've got a vision pro, haven't I?
Speaker 1:I can see um yeah, that's a wish for putting his head in his hands as well bit of gaffer tape and you could look, I've got it here. It's so light as well. It's so thin and light. Anyway, we're talking about look see vision pro.
Speaker 4:Other tablets are available. Sorry, Alex.
Speaker 2:This has gone a weird way hasn't it this podcast so far?
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, Anyway, right right, let's get back on track. Let's get back on track. Also, with me is the gadget guru with the heart of gold. When we are all falling apart, he is the glue that holds us together. That sounded so wrong.
Speaker 4:Alex Hansford. How are you, my friend? Hello, I'm good, I'm not bad. I'm probably looking forward to some sunshine. Do you know where it is?
Speaker 1:It's behind the clouds and the rain, alex, it's always there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, great British summer. It's there if you look for it.
Speaker 2:I went for a bike ride in the New Forest that weekend. It was lovely. It's there if you look for it. I went for a bike ride the new forest that weekend.
Speaker 1:It was lovely. So if you look for it, that's the thing, yeah, um. So before we get started, we better get our spoiler alert out of the way. I mean, it's only been 20 odd years since this movie, so if you haven't seen it yet 22.
Speaker 1:Then please pause, go watch it, come back, but I'm guessing by now that you're here because you have seen it and you want to join in the discussion, or you have thoughts and you just want to twirl them around while john alex and I um share our thoughts on this film. So yeah, there we go. It was released, as alex said, in 2002, 22 years ago. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1:I remember when this came out because there was all the hype of it being the 40th anniversary, possibly brosnan's last film, because at the time, you know, we knew it was the end of his four picture deal with eon. Uh, the car, because obviously we, you know it was heavily publicized that it had the cloaking device and everything, john cleese being q because there was no more desmond llewellyn. There was a lot of kind of I remember there was a lot of marketing glitz around this movie. But yeah, 22 years ago, john, do you remember when this came out.
Speaker 2:I do, I remember it coming out. I remember going to see it at the cinema. Yeah, I mean, it's during my wilderness years, my lost years, 2002. There's lots going on, so I remember that I went to see the film. But who knows? I mean yeah.
Speaker 1:Moving on, alex, 22 years ago, when you were a very, very young man, memories of this movie coming out, a very very young man Memories of this movie coming out.
Speaker 4:So 22 years ago I was feeling 22, like the great Taylor Swift, and yeah, I remember going to see it. I think it was at. Yeah, it was in my wilderness years as well, john. Actually we don't really speak about those, but yeah, I do remember going to see it. Um, I remember being a little bit disappointed a little spoiler there yeah, I don't remember being a little bit disappointed? Yeah, I don't know really, um, but it is a bit of an end of an era, isn't?
Speaker 2:it. So I just remembered it was my first, first, second eight to ten months of teacher teaching in schools. I trained in 2001, so I probably was just working my nuts off and didn't have time to go and see it or remember it. It came out in November of 2002, which is one of the busiest terms this Christmas term, so I probably just went to see it in a flash, just as kind of a respite from work. How about you, bobby? Do you remember seeing it in the cinema.
Speaker 1:I want to say I do, but I'm not sure I must have seen it in the cinema because you know I was on the whole kind of brosnan train right from golden eye and then you know I raved about that. World is not enough. I absolutely love tomorrow never dies, loved. So I must have seen it in the cinema, almost certainly. I definitely would have got the soundtrack like straight away, because it was david David Arnold again and at the time I just thought everything he touched just seemed to turn to gold. So yeah, but like Alex, I do remember being sort of disappointed by this one.
Speaker 1:I think more of my memories are probably when it came out on DVD and then I was able to re-watch it and, um, yeah, kind of sort of had a flat feeling, but it was really interesting coming back to it after all these years because I haven't seen it. I don't, I'm pretty sure I've not seen it since. Um, and I have to say, guys, do you know what we're going to do this back to front today? I want to do this more as a conversation because it is the end of the Brosnan era and we are about to embark on Craig, as Mark would say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm all about the Craig films. Mark would say that wouldn't he?
Speaker 4:He would.
Speaker 1:I have to say we laughed through it, right. Okay, so this for me was a movie of two halves, right? So you have the initial set-up premise, the pre-credit sequence. We see bond in territory that we've never seen him before. He's in north korea, he gets captured, he's in there for I think it was like five, six years or something like that, and, um, you know, he's practically disavowed. I mean, the only reason why they get him out of there is because they think that he's been feeding information to the Koreans. So we see him in a really vulnerable place, and so I think it's actually one of the best openings of the entire series for that reason. But then, obviously, the second half goes a bit nuts, and then we've got the crappy CGI set piece. That's part of the whole ice palace thing at the end it's brothans least favorite one, this one okay famous.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that saying that he did not like all the like, the silly special effects and kind of overblown exaggeratedness of it all. In fact, I think he suggested um to the producers that they make the next one feel a bit more gritty and real, which it kind of was, wasn't it? It was a bit less special effects-y and you know, quite a change in tone. The next film, Casino Royale.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he wanted this one to be more character-driven. He said it's always got to be about the character first, and I think they started off that way. But then Wade and Purvis just kind of went off the reservation a bit. But we were laughing through the second half and there was a lot of. In the end it was so incredulous that you just had to lean into it and go with it and and we actually ended up having quite a bit of fun with this. And it's funny because I wouldn't put it in the same league as Moonraker, but at the same time it has got that kind of Moonraker vibe about it.
Speaker 1:And the interesting thing is that, although it's not officially talked about at all, it is kind of seen that it could be a second adaptation of the original Moonraker novel because of plot elements that they've taken from the book that seem to be in here.
Speaker 1:So in the novel a Nazi adopts a new identity, which is Hugo Drax, becomes a popular British multimillionaire, donates millions to create the Moonraker missile, which is meant to be for the UK's protection but actually is meant to completely obliterate London. So there are parallels between that and Die Another Day's plot as well, and so, coming into it. You know, thinking, and we've talked about it for months, right, we've all been saying, uh, you know, when we've given a film a low rating, we've said we know that there's one that's going to go lower than this. And I come into this conversation with you guys kind of slightly embarrassed and also amused that I'm going to say to you that it might not be quite as lower rating as I thought. For months and months I was going to give this one when I got to it because it is kind of a guilty pleasure.
Speaker 2:I can see that. I can see it being a guilty pleasure. I mean, the big thing at the time for this film was I remember being in all the papers. It wasn't the plot or the CGI. It was that moment that Halle Berry walked out of the sea and everyone said that apparently she got paid a lot of money just for that scene, a bit like the scene in what was it? Is it Blowfish? The film with Hugh Jackman where they paid her a lot of money to take her bikini off like a lot Swordfish, swordfish. That's it, swordfish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, much cooler than Blowfish. Yeah, hootie, hootie and the Blowfish.
Speaker 2:Now I can say yeah, I'm with you. We were chuckling at the second half of the film me and Becca really, because it was. It felt almost like a romp or like one of those comedies where people are coming in stage left and stage right and going through the French windows the whole time, especially in the Ice Palace where he's coming and going into the. What was it called? It was like a jungle greenhouse area, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:He was just diving out again behind an invisible car and then back in again. It all felt a bit like a TV series or something, I don't know. It just felt a bit I don't know a bit off for James Bond it's hard to put my finger on it, but it just felt a bit more, a bit camp and silly really. And it's the scene where Q walks past the invisible car and his legs go all wide, as it's meant to be, sort of being refracted, but it just didn't. Didn't actually behave like real, real refraction word, and it just felt a bit kind of what are they doing here? It's all, it's all gone?
Speaker 4:a bit weird it got worse as well with the vr goggles and I mean that's and that's, that's it's caused problems with my shag count, I'll talk about to you about that in a second. Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:All right but yeah.
Speaker 1:Do virtual shags count?
Speaker 4:Well, listen, when I do my shag count, I think it's three, because his shag was for one twice, but it's three and a half.
Speaker 2:Does a VR shag count as half a shag? Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:How far did she get before? Well, we don't know how long she's in there with the goggles on, do we?
Speaker 2:So I'm going to count it as a half. It's our first ever 3.5 shag count in a Bond film.
Speaker 1:Is masturbating, shagging, I mean, it's got to be a partial, isn't it? You need two people to shag, don't you At least Depending on what you're into. Right, so probably half is right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, okay, right so probably half is right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyway, what were we talking about?
Speaker 1:Anyway, back to the story. So yeah, so it opens, for me one of the best opening sequences of any Bond film. It was very thrilling. Heart in mouth, he gets captured. That was all filmed in aldershot, by the way, um that was filmed in aldershot, uh, north korean town.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly the director.
Speaker 1:Um, he, he said he was a little bit disappointed after he took the job because he very quickly realized that filming on location in a bond movie meant that you were never more than 10 to 15 minutes away from Pinewood Studios. It's Lee Lee Camargo. Yeah, they usually sent the second units etc. Off to all the exotic locations. So for the very beginning bit, where you've got the surfers coming in, they wanted to find the biggest waves in the world, and so they went to find the biggest waves in the world, and so they went to jaws island in hawaii, um, and that's where that was filmed. But none of the car, none of the casts were were there. It was just the, the championship surfing stuntman, that were flown out there with vick armstrong, presumably supervising, uh, to film that sort of opening sequence, um, you know, which I thought was pretty good. But then I was like aren't there sort of more efficient ways to get yourself into north korea?
Speaker 2:I don't know they could have used roger moore's uh, roger moore's alligator right no, it's, I mean it's quiet. I quite like the surfing gadgets as well it was quiet. I mean, yeah, if you're going to get in stealthily, you get in under with a vehicle that doesn't have a motor. So I think you have the right idea. It's just depends how good you are at surfing. If you're not a good surfer, you'll be a bugger, don't you?
Speaker 1:yeah, but then it's like that's where the the sort of fantastical elements of this kick off that you know. It's like Bond can do absolutely everything. Yeah, he's a superhero. Is there anything he can't do?
Speaker 2:A monogamous relationship.
Speaker 1:Apart from a monogamous relationship, a monogamous single.
Speaker 4:He's not good at handing his notes in when he leaves a job. No.
Speaker 2:He's not very good at that. He's pretty good at handing his notice in when he leaves a job. No, he's not very much in his in his acts of love making at the end of the film either. Is he really generally no right? So there he has his flaws. You know, no one's perfect yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1:um, so, let's talk about some of the cast actually, because, because we've got God, what?
Speaker 3:was his name. Is it Rick?
Speaker 1:Ying, who was in Fast and Furious right and he didn't initially want to do the film. I think he wanted the main villain and didn't get it and was told that he was going to be the sidekick. And it took a lot of convincing as well, but you know, he did it. Um, I thought he was pretty good I quite enjoyed this film.
Speaker 2:It's quite an interesting looking character after he had the shrapnel in his face which yeah wasn't interesting, because your body would reject that eventually, wouldn't it? But it's interesting. You'd think so?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, I'd like to think my body wouldn't, because I'm all about the bling, but yeah, so he was good. And then Toby Stevens was cast in the role of Gustav Graves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I remember him originally being the most irritating thing about this film the very first time I saw it. But having seen it the second time and remembering the plot and the fact that he is actually colonel moon's son, who's undergone that dna redirection therapy or whatever to change his face, you know what they should have done. They should have just ripped off that john travolta, nicholas cage movie. They should have just done it. They should have done it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love how you did that no, no, because then then the people from Mission Impossible will come and sue them, won't they? It was before Mission Impossible wasn't it.
Speaker 1:Faceoff was way before Mission Impossible.
Speaker 3:Michelin in.
Speaker 1:Boston. That's the themed restaurant you can go to.
Speaker 3:Tom Cruise's yeah exactly that's it.
Speaker 1:You won't see him because he's so short.
Speaker 2:There's special low counters for him, Because he's so short. There's a special Little counter For him so he can chop up All the fish and stuff On the counters.
Speaker 1:Hi, what do you want? What can I get you tonight? Welcome to Michelin Impossible.
Speaker 2:And then Whenever he's.
Speaker 1:Moving up and down the counter.
Speaker 2:He's always running At high speed With pumping his arms, like he does in those films Again again those surfers did so that was that.
Speaker 1:Judi Dench is back, no more. Desmond Llewellyn for the first time, he is no more. Sadly, the torch has been passed to John Cleese.
Speaker 3:I don't like John Cleese ok, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1:Get it off your chest, john why?
Speaker 2:well, because he's an idiot. He's not the kind of a haughty superior but quite rightly sort of you know old guy. That's always right. Like Desmond was, he comes across as a bit of a numpty really, and I just don't like that role. Even the new young Q, ben Whishaw, in the new films comes across as being quite knowing and kind of, yeah, he knows what he's doing, but this cue just is a transition cue, isn't he? He's not a real cue, yeah.
Speaker 1:But also I think that even Ben Whishaw has got this quiet authority about him and he and he sort of hypothetically thinks well, thinks nothing of hypothetically giving Daniel Craig a slap on the wrist when he needs it, or hypothetically giving Daniel Craig a slap on the wrist when he needs it, or sort of talking you know, sort of almost slightly down at him in disdain, especially when it comes to talking about the lack of, you know, respect for equipment and all that sort of thing. When I remember in was it in Quantum of Solace, which has got the smaller Aston Martin, I think it's a DBS and there's that chase sequence that happens in Paris, I think, and the car gets completely totaled along the river. Maybe I'm getting two films mixed up. There's a lot of bonkers.
Speaker 4:No, it is a DBS.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that film gets that car gets totally likeed. Um, you know, anyway, ben wishaw's q obviously has something to say about that. Who else was in?
Speaker 4:this colin salmon again.
Speaker 1:Okay, uh, samantha bond's money penny. Okay, so razie pike, she's very, very nice in this.
Speaker 2:She is, she did she get the gig in Mission Impossible. Do you think on the back of this? Because she plays a character in Mission Impossible as well, doesn't she?
Speaker 1:She wasn't in Mission Impossible.
Speaker 2:The one with.
Speaker 4:You're thinking of the Bourne? I didn't. No, that's not her.
Speaker 1:No, that was Julia Starrs, it was, she's.
Speaker 4:Definitely one, but she's a double agent. No, that was Julia.
Speaker 2:Stiles. Sorry, I've been confused. She's definitely in one, but she's a double agent and it turns out she's a bad guy in the end. Spoiler, I'm pretty sure that's her.
Speaker 1:She wasn't in Mission Impossible, John. She was in Jack Reacher.
Speaker 4:Jack Reacher 2012. She's not been in any Mission.
Speaker 1:Impossible films.
Speaker 3:trust me, I'm a massive fan of that franchise. I don't know.
Speaker 2:In which Mission Impossible, isn't she a?
Speaker 1:baddie in this one as well.
Speaker 2:She isn't she? No?
Speaker 1:Mission Impossible is what's her name? Oh my god, I can't remember her name, but anyway, it's not Rosie. Rosamund Pike has not been in any Mission Impossible films.
Speaker 2:It's this film where she's a baddie. Really I'm getting my girls mixed up for different films, but I think she's very good in this. This is the first time she was in a film I think First film she made, so that's pretty good.
Speaker 4:I mean she comes across as being an established actress. Yeah, it was her debut, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think she's pretty good in this. I mean, she fits the Bond girl role, I think, in being kind of like the elegant British one. And then Halle Berry, who's the slinky American one, the North, there haven't been very many American Bond girls. Do we count Michelle? Yeoh, we don't do it really. Is she an American citizen?
Speaker 3:No, she's.
Speaker 2:Malaysian, yeah, so I think she did a good job. I thought she was quite good in this.
Speaker 4:I wasn't convinced. You weren't, I think. The thing from my point of view was I think her character was poorly written, so there was very little depth to her. You saw one side which was I hate you. And then there was another side where it was supposed to be compassion, but it wasn't so. It was because her name was frost, wasn't it? And so she was.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so she was very, um, uh, naturally icy to bond, um, but then the thing is it's like then, when she turns and you go, it's like well, well, I could have guessed that, because there's no part that's warned me to this character. So I just I don't know. The thing is even I feel like you need to be able to have some be able to relate to them, and I felt like I couldn't relate to her at all. Is that her writer's fault? It was the writer's fault, yeah, I, I think she did what she could with the role, but, um, but it didn, but it didn't help. It's just one of those things. I think it was the issue. I wouldn't say she acted it perfectly, because I couldn't see what. I just couldn't. She obviously acted with what she had, but I just there were quite a few bits of this film that didn't quite end up. People were there for a token reason, like Michael Madsen.
Speaker 2:He seemed a bit out of place in this film. Is what I thought.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was a cameo, wasn't it Weird role he was playing.
Speaker 2:Was it Damien Falco?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Was he a CIA agent in this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was a thief wasn't he Exactly, he was yeah.
Speaker 4:There were a few roles that were odd in this particular one, but I think hers was the most. Oh god, yeah, oh my god, yes. Who else she was Verity. That's right.
Speaker 2:What about the other cameo? She was in her song, wasn't it?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's probably why she was in it.
Speaker 4:Die Another Day was hers, yeah yeah. Yeah, it was. Goldie was in it, wasn't he?
Speaker 2:That's right, yeah.
Speaker 4:No, not, was it Goldie? Yeah, it was Goldie, I think. Yeah, goldie was in a token. There was a token one when he he was in the fencing club. I can't remember who it was, but they had a few Cameos sprinkled through that were super obvious Anyway. So I don't know, I think the uh character work could do with more more. Uh could do with some more work. Yeah, even money penny with the vr piece, I felt really bad.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I think they did her a disservice because you know, like money penny has always had that sort of flirtatious relationship with bond, but it's always been kind of at arm's reach to a greater or lesser degree. You know the person that you need in the crow's nest with a sniper's rifle that's got your back to just like pathetic fawning. You know this technology has given her the opportunity to succumb to her wildest fantasies we're looking at a very private moment, really aren't we?
Speaker 1:it just felt intrusive and weird and also doing that at work as well. Can you imagine if you were watching?
Speaker 3:dodgy stuff on your Vision Pro. We've all done that, mate At work you'd get done.
Speaker 4:I don't know whether you'd do that on work time.
Speaker 1:Especially in a school that was a joke. All of John's students that write to me regularly to say Mr Evans was really good on your podcast last week, Report him. Someone said to me Mr Evans was really good on your podcast last week, Report him.
Speaker 2:Someone said to me, bobby, that they listen to podcasts. I just hadn't assumed they would listen. I was quite surprised. Someone at work, hello, whoever that was.
Speaker 1:Hello, John's. Mr Evans is a student or?
Speaker 3:John's colleague who listens to the podcast Whoever?
Speaker 1:it is. If you're listening to this, um taylor and talk podcast at gmailcom, get in touch, let's. Let's have a chat, yeah so um, she had a major hr moment with uh, didn't? She? Did anyone spot what I'm talking about when, um, when, goes through miranda frostfall with her and says something like uh, you know, you've never um, you've never been tempted or you've never shagged any of your fellow agents or whatever never had sex with any of your fellow age. I mean you, I mean come on intimately involved, that's it yeah, it needs to be written up for that one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, I guess it's one of those things that looks good on paper but there's normally something underneath that. But yeah, I don't know, I just genuinely want to be going back to the grounds because I think that's a good place to come back to. I, when I'm thinking about this, I just I more believe jinx, despite how relatively two-dimensional she is. I, I I much more prefer her role um than I do to um, uh, rosamund's um well, Jinx is more of a traditional Bond girl role, isn't it really?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it has a little bit more dimension to it and you have a bit more respect for her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, but anyway, let's move on.
Speaker 1:It's like her arc just sort of descends into you know. She goes being sort of this happy-go-lucky, doesn't really care about anything, kick-ass, you know, quite frankly, gorgeous woman who then by the end is reduced to if it, you know, if she needs to be saved, basically, and I wish they wouldn't do that, not to the extent that they did it in this film. You know, that whole, that whole, her sort of drowning in the car means she was practically dead at one point and then he obviously revives her and everything. But I just thought it was so disappointing for the character to be in that much trouble.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but her entrance was great when they went to Hawaii and they sort of did a Hawaiian version of the Bond theme.
Speaker 1:That was cool, that was meant to be Cuba.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wasn't it Not Hawaii. Havana, it was kind of a I'm misreading my writing Havana Bond theme. Yeah, oh yeah, she was very flirty, wasn't she? And actually I thought that the Shag No.1 for Bond I thought was quite raunchy for a Bond film actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was, there was like noises. Wasn't there.
Speaker 3:Why so funny?
Speaker 1:I'm still a virgin. I don't know what noises they make.
Speaker 4:It was quite dirty.
Speaker 1:It went on a bit longer than usual as well, but Roger Moore's ones you sort of just laughed at right. But this was one that I feel like if it had come out when I was about five, a bit longer than usual as well. But Roger Moore's ones you sort of just laughed at right. Yeah, but you know, this was one that I feel like if it had come out when I was about five years old, my mum would have like covered my eyes.
Speaker 3:There's a bit of shit in my eyes, wasn't there?
Speaker 2:And I thought this has got a bit of a missing instinct.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Although he did have a raunchy one with Sophie Marceau right With the ice cubes and stuff. Yeah, yeah Distracted.
Speaker 4:Very distracted.
Speaker 2:I'm watching the scene now just to remind myself, yeah.
Speaker 1:But her entrance was good but then immediately spoiled by the dialogue. Yeah, you know that whole, you know what do predators do you know they? Feast, and then you know that whole. You know what do predators do? You know they feast, and then you know cut to sex scene it was just, you know, such either lazy writing or those two were just high on whatever drugs they were being, you know, fed you know um no owls in havana, yeah, and it's like what did
Speaker 1:you say the ornithologist reference was obviously a reference to the fact that the original name for James Bond came from.
Speaker 2:You know, a book that well the book's in the film as well there's a scene where Bond picks up from this sleeping sleeper and it's a field guide to the birds of West Indies which is written by James Bond. They've actually got a scene where there's a film.
Speaker 1:I think they reference pretty much every single film, so I've got a list here with some notes, so tell me if if a bond film is missing. Okay, so let's start at the top. Dr After Bond escapes to the deck of the ship he's been held in. You can hear the noises from the opening of Doctor no, before the gun barrel and James Bond thing kick in, and Honey Rider's introduction is replicated with Jinx's introduction scene in her swim suit. From Russia, with Love Spectre filming James Bond and Tatiana in Istanbul, which has also been the scene that's been used to screen test potential new James Bond actors ever since. There's some footage of James. What was his name? The American actor that they were looking at to take over from Roger Moore.
Speaker 2:Not James.
Speaker 1:Caan. No, no, James, God, what the hell was his name. Anyway, so yeah, so the hell was his name Anyway, so yeah, so the Chinese Secret Service film Bond and the massage girl through a mirror if you remember.
Speaker 1:That Chinese agent. So two facts here. By the way, if I can introduce it, the Chinese agent there was meant to be Wei Lin they were looking for. They originally were planning to bring Wei Lin back into this film, but because of scheduling conflicts with Michelle Yeoh, they couldn't, and so that's why they changed the character to the guy and that's what we've got.
Speaker 3:It's a shame.
Speaker 1:And also the massage girl. I was looking at her and I was thinking why do I think I know you and why do I think I had a massive crush on you when I was about 18 years old? Who remembers the Lynx advert with the guy at the bar and then the two hot girls come up next to him and then they start dancing and it's the um, I like to party. I don't remember that. Everybody does well, you don't remember that advert?
Speaker 4:yeah, she was.
Speaker 1:I remember the advert she was the fit girl in that advert. Are you looking it up now?
Speaker 2:well, I'm trying to, but I can't people listening to this.
Speaker 1:It's a bit tenuous. I can't remember her name, but anyway, if you look her up, she's done a few podcasts. She's been on the really 007 podcast as well. She's great fun, recounts some fantastic stories of her time doing this bond film and then, you know, doing all the conventions and meeting all of the other actors, both present and past, etc. But anyway, that's who she is and I just wanted to point out and I I love that advert um, because of her uh rachel grant is.
Speaker 1:Goldfinger. Moving on Goldfinger, it's Rachel Grant where. So in Goldfinger, so in this Bond bets Gustav's diamond for the fencing jewel, like how he bets Auric Goldfinger his gold bar for the golf game there's also a game demonstrates a gadget there's a game, isn't there in one of the Bond films where they're playing war games, that sort of computer thing in the casino, which is a similar sort of thing. Yeah, but that was in.
Speaker 2:Never Say, never Again, right yeah, I think so, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not an official Bond film. Thunderball Bond switches on the jetpack inside Q's workshop, which is the Thunderball jetpack Going to a clinic. Finding out someone's identity is being changed. So Angelo Palazzi in Thunderball and Zhao in Die Another Day and he uses the underwater breathing gadget from Thunderball to swim around the Iceland base. You only live twice. Tiger Tanaka refers to M having a secret subway train and we see the secret underground station. So yeah, that was referred to in you Only Live Twice. The hut that Bond and Jinx stay in at the end is modelled after the bedroom where Bond and Aki sleep in you Only Live Twice, where he goes to bed all grumpy because he doesn't get any sex On Her Majesty's Secret Service Bond escaping from the avalanche in Switzerland.
Speaker 1:He goes to bed all grumpy because he doesn't get any sex on her majesty's secret service bond escaping from the avalanche in switzerland. He escapes from alex's most favorite bit of technological cgi, jiggery, pokery in the entire bond series diamonds are forever. Um, diamond smuggling, obviously. Uh. Gustav grave says diamonds are forever, but life isn't just before the fencing duel and his plan involves a space laser. Just like blowfelds, does laser live and let live and let die. Mr big strog crops below. Uh, blowing up on san monique. The icarus laser blows up minefields. Man with a golden gun uh, the layout of Scaramunga's trick house. So they replicate that. When he goes through the secret entrance at the DNA replacement hospital and he passes through the room with the spinning mirrors Spy who Loved Me. James Wan skis off a cliff. Union Jack parachute In this. Gustav Gra graves jumps out of a helicopter, lands in front of buckingham palace with the same parachute, that's mean raker.
Speaker 2:That was also the inspiration for that scene in the jubilee, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:when a queen jumps out of a helicopter moon raker destructions, sword fight between bond and Graves at the Club Mirrors, bond and Chang's fight at the Italian Museum, and the hovercraft falling down the waterfall at the beginning is replicating Jaws' boat going over the waterfall in Moonraker. For your Eyes Only, bond abusing a wheelchair-bound villain happens in both films Blofeld in For your Eyes Only, mr Crook in Die Another Day and also both those films have. The singers of the title theme appear. In the film, sheena Easton is in the opening credits. For your Eyes Only, madonna is the fencing instructor.
Speaker 1:Verity Octopussy. Bond impersonates a villain that only appears during that sequence. So Colonel Toro in Octopussy and Van Bjerke, the kind of diamond expert wherever he was, in Die Another Day. The Acro Starjet and the Crocodile Submarine, alex's favourite gadget, are both in Q's workshop as well. A View to a Kill. Matt Zorin watches Silicon Valley from his aircraft. Graves watches over all the destruction that he's wreaked on the world from his plane living daylights. Bond driving an aston martin on ice to escape the enemy happens in both movies license to kill, bond going renegade um and having his license revoked. And then m says license revoked um in license to kill as well was this all on purpose, do you think?
Speaker 2:probably because it's the 40th anniversary.
Speaker 1:I just think it's a complete blundering set of coincidences. Yeah, I mean, should I?
Speaker 2:continue. I was talking to someone today, today about, well, maybe my daughter saying all the bond films seem the same, don't they? And I said well, they follow a certain formula, definitely, and I think that's the thing. Because they follow a formula, you can see elements in in all of them, in each film, can't you? Up until more recent films anyway, yeah yeah, that's true um gold and I have.
Speaker 1:Bond uses, uh laser to cut through the floor of the train, unless he uses the laser in his watch to cut through the ice uh, tomorrow never dies. Jinx throws a knife into a guard's throat uh, the same way that waylin sticks a shuriken into a guard's throat. And in both those films bond has to resuscitate the girl because she almost drowns. At the end, world is Not Enough. Sprinkler system starts after the bomb that kills Robert King at MI6. And in this one, the sprinkler system goes on at the gene therapy facility lab. So there you go. What a load of coincidences. That is quite incredible, but they managed to get every single movie in there. Yeah, that's all we can say about that, really right? Yeah, it's probably partly why the script was so rubbish because they were trying to shoehorn all this stuff
Speaker 4:in didn't make any sense, so maybe that's why yeah, exactly, you know, less is more always so let's go to gadgets, alex.
Speaker 1:Yes, there's a lot in this film like there's a ton you could actually cheat and just you could think about gadgets from other films and you'd probably be right. So do you want to kick it off? We'll join in if you start to struggle so there are a few I'll go through.
Speaker 4:If there's any I've missed, let me know. I think let's start with the surfboard with the hidden weapons tray, with the ammunition and C4. There is a watch with the laser and a detonator rebreather sonic ring that he used later on. Um, the anti-satellite missile that's used um right towards the start to blow up his helicopter.
Speaker 4:Um there's other things like um the da vinci medical machine that is you know the one, the one that they use for, um, uh, robotic surgery, so that's that's used in it. There is the dream machine, which is quite rgb, so it's got the machine that they use. I put us over the face to, uh, regenerate. It's called the dream machine, but it's just that that's what they had. Lasers with the scene with Jinx. You have night fishing goggles, you've got the. We haven't got to a lot of the Bond stuff, so we've also got the invisible car. Obviously, virtual reality glasses it's quite gadget. Heavy satellite's a big thing, whether you call it gadget or not. There's a couple here that I don't remember the battle suit.
Speaker 3:Or Graves' Inquisition, I don't know what. It's, the exoskeleton, that's it, the exoskeleton.
Speaker 2:It's a big battle at the end, isn't it? With Bond, it almost becomes like the end of Iron man.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's it. Oh, I'd almost forgot that. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, so there's that. Um, what else do we?
Speaker 2:have. We have the um uh ice dragster as well like just to throw more in there.
Speaker 4:Um, we have no, the dragster that, uh. This is when the one that's on the ice and breaks the yeah, breaks the speed limit. So you've got that, not to mention the fact that he escapes skating on a part of the wing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think there's other stuff, but I just said that there's a ring, isn't there that Q's demonstrating that shatters glass when he's showing off his gadget. That's's demonstrating that shatters glass.
Speaker 4:that's the sonic ring yeah that's the one he uses. That's the one he uses to get out of the. Yeah, because this also the. In Iceland, the like rainforest bit was from the Eden project so that's just, that's quite recognizable yeah, um, yeah, where's that? From, and it is, it is from the project. So there's that. There's a fair few nice cars as well that are just dotted in just because we obviously haven't had enough stuff as well. But I guess the vanquish is the big one, the invisible vanquish.
Speaker 2:You must have to get his Bond Seamaster. Yes, that's very true.
Speaker 4:If we're talking about the car, we also got to remember all the things the car could do, because it had the turret gun that blew up the manual. It also had thermal imaging on the camera, rockets it could turn itself over as well. The nice sunroof, just I like that.
Speaker 1:But the fact that it had the. It had the ejector seat, which was a homage to the db5 in goldfinger.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, there was. Just it was overwhelming how much they threw into it.
Speaker 1:But it also had you forgot the biggest feature of the car Adaptive camouflage.
Speaker 2:Come on, yeah, but it's called the Aston Martin Vanish Vanish, not Vanquish Vanish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, John.
Speaker 2:Cleese.
Speaker 3:I love that little joke. It was so bad.
Speaker 4:It was just the bit where they went. Okay, it's an invisible car, how are we going to show it sneaking up on someone? And then we're like, good point, but we'll just kind of make it look like it's kind of ghostly, make it wibbly.
Speaker 1:Like a predator, because the other thing as well is if it was in camouflage sorry, alex, I just wanted to say it's a V12 it makes a noise it does.
Speaker 1:I've got a 6 valve Supra with a flat 6 engine in it and that thing makes a racket. My entire street hears that car when I switch it on. But this thing is going to make a noise, so it doesn't matter about adaptive camouflage to sneak up on people. To be honest, you can't even sneak up on people electric car because I tried to do it the other day to kill one of my neighbors and because when you're going below like five miles an hour or whatever- it has to make that spaceship noise like, like, whatever it didn't work.
Speaker 2:He saw me coming, so he escaped however, I was reading an article today that more people are more likely to be hurt by electric cars because they're so quiet as they approach compared to petrol cars. But it's to do with proportion of cars in the country, isn't it?
Speaker 4:you're more likely to be killed by an electric car if you're not paying attention and you don't have a ruckling engine, they won't die of air pollution, so that's not bad. So it swings around about.
Speaker 2:Just get really close. Turn my car to EV mode, get really close to people and then, when you beep the horn really loudly, drive underneath them as they leap in the air in shock. That's good fun, nice.
Speaker 1:I live in a. B&o I live in a platoon. They won't die of air pollution, but will they die from rubber inhalation? Because the cars are so heavy, you get particles of rubber chipping off the tyres.
Speaker 4:It's no different than a normal car. When you're driving a normal car, when you're driving it to a range rover, you can't be. I'll have the high road and say, no, I'm still a range rovers are much better. It's like, no, you can't. There's just no way. Anyway, the obvious thing about the the um adaptive camouflage in the van in vanquish was it was driving on snow, so they had to put the tracks on as well oh god it's so flawed so when they were driving when you saw him creeping up.
Speaker 4:When you saw him creeping up, they had to put the tracks on the snow because obviously it's far and it would have squished the. And you think to yourself does no one notice these random tracks just appearing in the middle of? Yeah, and, and it's not even like that that those treads would have just appeared. There'd be a whole track from wherever. Wherever you got the color all the way, there would just be like glaringly obvious anyway, um, I don't know why that really annoys me, because there's there's so many other things in the. The uh thing that you're annoying, but, um, but it's just the invisibleness just broke, broke me.
Speaker 1:At that point I was just like, yeah, nothing, nothing is real, nothing is real, yeah but that's the thing is like when, when he showed him the car, right, when we first get introduced to it, you're sort of like your, your brain's trying to sort of say, okay, you know, maybe it's reasonable, right, because you take Q's explanation for how the technology works, it bends light or whatever, and you're kind of like, okay, fine, all right, maybe I could just about get away with that. But then when they go to the ice palace and all that stuff starts happening, you're thinking, okay, that's it. I mean with alex, like alex, I was completely lost at that point. I was like that point I thought to myself this really doesn't feel like a james bond film at all. It's, it's the least james bond feeling film of the series to date.
Speaker 1:I think yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it is. It's the first one of all of them that we've talked about on the Bondifilm podcast where I was looking at my watch during the film wondering how long we got left.
Speaker 1:Did you sort of sigh when you saw that it was like still like two hours to go?
Speaker 2:it's about two hours and ten minutes. Two hours and twelve minutes, so it's quite a long film.
Speaker 4:It's too long there's a lot that happens in it. It's not short on. It's not short on scenes and actions and lots of things.
Speaker 1:And it moves quickly, yeah.
Speaker 4:It's just hard to get invested in it because of some of the stuff that just makes you switch off, and I think that was the thing, because it was so cgi heavy. It just lost and it wasn't. It wasn't like you could forgive it. That's where where I I think um, that's where I think the um, what was gonna say?
Speaker 3:room maker you lose.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, I won in bond being a real hero, don't you? Because he's all green-screening it. You don't respect his actions, his stunts, because we know that he's not skating down an avalanche or whatever. It was a wave on a car. He's on a green screen wiggling about on a piston?
Speaker 4:There's no consequences for anything, and so, consequently, you don't care about anything. And the thing is, in moonraker, which was ridiculous, it was so ridiculous so you forgave. It was charming, wasn't it? It was, yeah, exactly the. The thing is, I left moonraker, which is a preposterous film, but I left it with such a smile on my face because it was so, so, so fun. That's why I rated it so highly, and everyone thinks I'm insane for doing that. I rated it very high as well. It wasn't because it was a good film. It was because I left it so positive, despite its preposterity how preposterous it was. Preposterousness Whereas this, yes, that's it. But I couldn. It's preposterous, how preposterous it was, whereas this, yes, that's it. I couldn't do that with this.
Speaker 1:I just couldn't do it if we're going to compare, we're talking about Moonraker now and we're kind of comparing it, which is interesting because, again, as I talked about at the beginning, there were a lot of elements of the plot of this that were ripped out of the book, and the thing with mean raker is that, you know, it was a typical roger moore 70s it that was bonds to a lot of people. Right, it was the gadgets and the girls and you know the disco ball of a film, wasn't it the?
Speaker 1:cheekiness and that, yeah, it was exactly that's the best way to describe it. This starts off. I think it unbalances you because it starts off like, oh my god, this is serious, you know, and there's torture and all that stuff, and it carries on through the credits. I mean, in fact, actually we didn't talk about the song, but the, the title sequence to this great, it's really good visually, was brilliant yeah absolutely fantastic like best to date.
Speaker 4:It's the first time they did that yeah.
Speaker 1:So you're kind of thinking great opening sequence, this is different. We haven't seen bond like this before. He's very vulnerable, etc, etc. Then we've got a great title sequence. Then we kind of carry on through that. Then some of the silliness kind of starts, like him stopping his heart to escape, and you know all of that, but you kind of still forgive it. But then it goes completely off a cliff, literally when he, you know, goes off that cliff with the waterfall behind him or whatever if boomeraker was a disco ball, I think die.
Speaker 2:Another day is a saturday morning cartoon to me, but saturday morning cartoons were great, though I know, but I mean battle of the planets thundercats.
Speaker 1:What else did we watch on saturday mornings? The real ghostbusters. You remember that?
Speaker 4:yeah dungeons and dragons dungeons and dragons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've got most of these still on the place, most of them I've got most of these still most of them.
Speaker 4:I've got most of these. I just it, it. It's just like you want a retro period, retro uh morning of children's tv.
Speaker 2:I can, I can, I can sort you out cool, alex the uh, morning tv dealer, he gives you a nice um, obviously um other tv and subscription services are available.
Speaker 1:The Tailoring Talk podcast does not endorse any use of dodgy, piracy, streaming torrents, etc.
Speaker 4:So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Let's just because we always talk, so the song. I quite like the song um, it's yeah, I do, I. I quite like it as well. It is off, it is. It's one of those marmite ones. People either slag it off and they're like, oh it's crap, and it's madonna or whatever. But at the end of the day, madonna's not a bad artist and she wasn't up to this point either.
Speaker 2:Constantly reinventing herself. Madonna fan Her early stuff I was a big fan of.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Me too, sadly. She should have stopped sooner. I think Jumping around in a sequined onesie at her age doesn't do her any favours, you know she should have stopped when she was weak.
Speaker 1:I think yeah. So the song was good. Her cameo, I think in the film. For me obviously you knew it was Madonna, but it didn't take too much away because they didn't give her too much dialogue either. I thought it was just right.
Speaker 3:And she has acted, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So she was fine, she was fine. Yeah, yeah, toby Stevens, as fine she was fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, toby Stevens as the main villain, though. So the first time I saw it I mentioned this previously he was the most grating thing about the film. Yeah, like it really irritated the hell out of me Watching it the second time with the knowledge that he was effectively playing two characters, because he was playing, you know the person that he was and the person that he is, and obviously everything that would involve in that and how mental you would go again. I refer you back to sir nicholas cage's performance in face off, um, so so I kind of understood why you know he made some of the choices that he did. You know where he kind of loses it in moments or he goes, because if you look at the performance of the actor that played the original, what's his name?
Speaker 1:Colonel Moon's son in the opening sequence, yeah, and then you look at Toby Stevens' performance. In the moments where he's not acting and he is himself, there are nuances of the other actor there, so I could see what he was doing. I think the problem was just overall as a film, nothing was very well written, so he did the best that he could with it what do you guys think?
Speaker 2:I don't want to use the word ham acting, but I think at times he chewed up the scenery a little bit personally. But, as you say, it must be quite hard, because as an actor you're to act as someone who's acting as someone else must be quite a challenge if you haven't got much direction in that, that can come across the wrong way in films, do you agree, alex, in that respect? I think maybe he wasn't being directed properly. I don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, you're right, but I feel like there's an element of because it's such a twist, there's an element of what we missed was so, in Face Off, john Travolta has tales that give you a clue that he's playing. When Nicholas Cage is playing John Travolta, it gives you that clue of oh, hang on a minute, yeah, and it gets you there, whereas the thing is we weren't given anything to go on at all, because it all happened too quickly at the start, and so the problem with that was it was like you know, we knew something was up, we probably worked it out, but we didn't really know um, and because they made no effort to um, like kind of give you something, it just didn't have any intrigue.
Speaker 4:It was like oh, okay, I'm fine you know, it's interesting, and I think, when you're playing the character like that, it's hard, isn't it? Because then, as a character, what are you saying underneath the face that you're seeing? What's my underneath, what's my motivation? And that's the bit that just didn't come across. So I do get it, bobby.
Speaker 2:He's got a heritage of acting. He's the son of Dame Maggie Smith. You know he's been very good in other things, I mean maybe you're right the directing.
Speaker 2:But I wonder if there's a certain expectation, as the Bond villain, to be a slightly over-the-top sort of character. And I wonder at the back of his mind if he thought I've got to, you know, make it a little bit more exaggerated than normal, because I am a Bond villain, because Bond villains in the past have been quite hammed up, haven't they anyway? And I wonder if that was also at the back of his mind. Yeah, none of us are actors, so it's hard for us to speak from a point of view of experience. But it must be quite a challenge with all that else is going on as well. I mean, it's a busy old film, isn't it With?
Speaker 2:all the special effects and stunts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very, I mean. Despite all of that, it was the highest-grossing Bond film to date. It broke all box office records for the series it grossed over. I think it was about $458 million.
Speaker 2:Hold on, Hold on Bobby. This is.
Speaker 1:Larry's job isn't it?
Speaker 4:Oh, I can Hang on.
Speaker 1:Not really. I've not given it to him officially. It doesn't matter who does it.
Speaker 4:No, go on, you do it, bobby, you've got the list.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I was just shocked for a second. Do you know what? Sorry, bear with me a second Number. Do you remember that scene in? You know what I'm going to do, don't you. I'm going to press my little button here and John is either going to explode or he's going to get launched into the swimming pool that I built under his house that he doesn't know has three great white sharks swimming around, Number one. Thank you for your contribution. It's time to let you go. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:That was a sound of piranhas he had by the way. Yes.
Speaker 1:Anyway, so yeah, so it was the highest grossing Bond film to date at that point. So they wanted to get Brosnan back for a fifth, but then he didn't hear from them, and I think they then sort of just decided, you know, we need to sort of just burn it to the ground and start again.
Speaker 2:But he, but he recommended the next film being less, less jazzy and special effect. He actually said he did this has gone the wrong way. Who knows? Who knows why he didn't come.
Speaker 1:and now, and you can see why I mean, I was thinking when alex was talking about the stakes for bond, um, it took me straight to the stairwell fight in Casino Royale and immediately afterwards, where you know, he needs to get some whiskey on his wounds and take a drink as well, because he's you know so he's shaking so much. Yeah, um, you know they just I can't wait to get to that film. They just hit all the notes with it. Anyway, cool Ratings, ratings, ratings, ratings, because I think we've pretty much said all we want to say. Unless, is there anything else either of you would like to say about Die Another Day?
Speaker 2:I'm looking at my notes, not about that one. There's one comment I'd like to make. We haven't made any mention of the clothing, and there was one particular outfit that I didn't like of Bond's His purple Hawaiian shirt that he wears when he's in Havana. That offended me. It just didn't look very Bond. I'll try and find it later on to show you.
Speaker 1:I mean you immediately. When he dresses in that sort of way, you immediately think of Sean Connery in a tropical setting, or Roger Moore, apart from the double denim, Roger Moore, I think, if Sean Connery can get away with it just because of his weird hairline and his fake tan.
Speaker 2:I don't think Brosnan can, because he's a little bit more dignified, isn't he, I think? I just think the Hawaiian shirt was not a good look for him.
Speaker 1:But then he was playing an ornithologist at the time and an ornithologist at the time and an ornithologist probably would wear a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 2:I mean, the worst Bond outfit ever would be the kilt that. Who was the Bond that did one Bond film? George, help me out here.
Speaker 3:George Lazenby.
Speaker 2:Yeah, George Lazenby.
Speaker 3:George Lazenby.
Speaker 2:When he wears that kilt and tries to woo all those ladies to his room. That outfit just wasn't working. Do you remember that All those Bondathons ago?
Speaker 1:He was playing like Dr Hillary something he was, yeah. He was cross-playing, so yeah, on to ratings, alex.
Speaker 4:And I'm just thinking about how low to go and what's reasonable and what's not reasonable. So I'm going to go.
Speaker 1:We're just betting here.
Speaker 4:I'm going to go with a five because I do think that it feels right. The thing is, it's just, if you'd have come and given me just the first half of the film and then stopped, I probably would have scored it like a six or seven okay, let me ask you this first.
Speaker 1:Right, alex, because we're getting congested with ratings. Right, sorry to interrupt you. Yeah, did you? Did you? Did you think this was better or worse than the world is not enough big question. I think it's definitely worse okay, because you gave, the world is not enough of five jesus, oh, give it a four and a half.
Speaker 3:By your rating.
Speaker 1:the world is not coming by your rating Up Until Five Seconds Ago was the worst Bond film for you, so now Die. Another Day is the worst.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, this is definitely worse than that, definitely worse. I'm just looking about the other Brosnan films and this is definitely Don't you think it's?
Speaker 2:funny that one of our favourite, bonds, has had some of the worst films we've rated.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1:I mean especially when you look at Alex's, because he's given Alex what was your rating for Goldeneye? Can you remember? I have to go and look it up.
Speaker 4:It must have been a seven or eight. It must have been a seven or eight.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll look it up. Tomorrow Never Dies. You gave a 6.5. Then you went to a five, for the world is not enough, and then four and a half to die another day.
Speaker 3:So like your brosnan trajectory is like going down um like a cgi because,
Speaker 1:like yeah, like like a cgi surfboard exactly. But you know, which is funny because like john says is is that you know, he, we've all thought that he was a great Bond. Yeah he was good at it and had all the elements there. I guess that he just maybe wasn't given the material or, you know, he wasn't given his movie.
Speaker 2:According to Alex. Do you know what I think the Thomas? Is it the Thomas Brown Affair?
Speaker 1:The Thomas Crown Affair Crown. That's it, Thomas.
Speaker 2:Brown's a dude next door. I think the Thomas Crown Affair, the Thomas Crown Affair, crown, that's it. Thomas Brown's a dude next door. I think the Thomas Crown Affair is a better film than any of Brosnan's Bond films.
Speaker 1:Oh God, yeah, I've said good enough, like he was kind of Bond in that right.
Speaker 2:He was, but he's a millionaire playboy Bond. But I just think that film on its own will give a higher rating than any of the Brosnan Bond films and I'm tempted to go and watch it again tonight actually.
Speaker 1:There we go, which is a shame, isn't it?
Speaker 2:What would you give? Die Another Day, then Me, I'd give it a five.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:It's my lowest rating so far. Here's that one.
Speaker 1:Okay, right, john focus. Oh God, cast your mind back to the early 70s, to Sean Connery's last outing Diamonds Are Forever. Which you gave a five Is Die Another Day worse than Diamonds Are Forever.
Speaker 2:I think they're equally, all the same. They're about the same for me, equally, just not films I like as much. You know, I watched Die Another Day for you, bobby, for this podcast, but I don't think I'll ever watch it again, which is sad, isn't it?
Speaker 1:But I mean it's sad for the audience as well, but it's actually quite heartwarming for me to have that much loyalty.
Speaker 4:Things will do for you, Bobby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, and your friends. I feel like if we'd all been at the same school, we would have definitely been in the same. We'd have had our own little gang of geeks.
Speaker 3:Bobby, what's your rating?
Speaker 2:so I was gonna go five and a half.
Speaker 1:I was gonna go five and a half, but I gave your Eyes Only five and a half what we should have given it right.
Speaker 2:You should have given it seven, and me and Alex should have given it zero
Speaker 4:each.
Speaker 1:I like that is it a worse film than For your Eyes Only? Do you know what I think? At least For your Eyes Only it felt like they were trying, and you know I gave it such a low rating because I just thought it was a bit boring. But For your Eyes Only I can legitimately go five though. Yeah, there we go. Wow, we're in agreement. Yeah, I think it gets like yeah there we go, okay, wow, we're in agreement yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 1:Just it was, I think. I think it gets like for the first half. I would give it like an 8, 7 or 8, yeah, but the second half gets a 0. So in actual fact, if I average that out, I should be giving it a 4. I'm just going to give it a 4 what happened?
Speaker 2:did they want 4.5? Is it because they wanted to get bums on seat to make money with all the special effects and action rather than story? Or did they run out of ideas? Or was there a difference of opinion between the director and the writers? Is there any background to this in terms of the writing of the film? Well, I will tell you what, barbara said.
Speaker 1:Is there any background to this?
Speaker 2:in terms of the writing of the film. Well, I just don't know.
Speaker 1:I will tell you what Barbara said. She said just so that you can sleep peacefully tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. When we did Goldeneye, we talked about the Cold War being over and what sort of challenges that would pose for James Bond. With this one, we started off by saying what is the world worried about? Where are the places in the world that are still secret or intriguing? And korea was one of those places, so that's where that came from. Then they decided to hire back neil purvis and robert wade, who wrote the world is not enough, so they were invited to do a draft. The producers were just out of ideas. They wanted to try and find a way to present Bond in a new light and give the actor something interesting to do. I mean, we could almost give.
Speaker 1:The outlines included a subplot about rogue CIA operatives creating a decoy villain in the pay of the US who turns against his American handlers, which they dropped before 9-11 happened Sorry, they imagined before 9-11, and then, because of that, they dropped it. I started talking about what kind of villain? This is all nonsense. I think by the time they did this interview, they knew that they'd made a shite film and were just basically trying to, you know, smart ass their way out of it. I think purvis and wade basically just got carried away.
Speaker 1:I think you know, it's like they started off really well and then it was like, okay, but we also want to, we also want to, we also to. And then they had to fit all of this stuff in, and then it just went haywire.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine that the North Koreans were particularly happy with the film either, really, when they saw it, Even though they were portrayed as kind of extreme nationalists and not North Koreans. But yeah, it's a funny.
Speaker 1:It's a funny one, this one, and I'm you know, I'm glad we've talked about it and we've kind of got it out of the way, um, because you know what's coming up next is going to be very exciting. It has been since the very beginning, since, doctor. No, this film has been like a splinter, yeah, where it's been like that thing in the road, that pothole in the road that we knew we were going to have to deal with at some point speed bump or whatever. And now I kind of feel better, now that we're over that hump we've written the bond date off, haven't we that's what it is.
Speaker 1:We've written the bond date off. Yeah, exactly, we are one step you we've had quite a few hints.
Speaker 4:It is bond. This is true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean come on, it's not mean overall, you'd have to say consistency-wise. For quality, the Mission Impossible series is much better.
Speaker 2:Well, we've got five films left, haven't we now? Good yeah we do. Ultimate Solace Skyfall Spectre. No Time to Die. Yeah, so there's a possibility that when we finish this series we could talk about the Mission Impossible films, but these are the ones I've been looking forward to the most to talk about, really, I guess Because they're such a sea change.
Speaker 4:Do you think we'll have to start taking it seriously then?
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably. Yeah, I think we will. Because, I think what we're going to do, all this nonsense needs to stop. Hold on, though.
Speaker 2:I am going to be wearing my special edition Daniel Craig underpants for the next podcast.
Speaker 1:I'm going to wear. I'll tell you what. For the next one, I'll wear my wedding suit oh, okay, the Tom Baker one, because we got married in 2008,. And my wedding suit is I basically copied Daniel Craig's dinner suit from Casino Royale the Brioni, who's a designer, exactly the same, so I will wear that for the for the Casino Royale okay, we are going to stop all this nonsense, all this over the top rubbish, scripting, etc.
Speaker 1:We're tearing it down. We're rebooting the Bondathon. We're going back to basics, we're getting to a more gritty style of podcasting and youtubing, um, and we're going to get this as close to grounded reality as we possibly can. We're going to do for the bond-a-thon what chris nolan did for batman we're setting ourselves up for a fall here, aren't we, lordy? You've got to come on here in black tie from now on.
Speaker 1:I don't want to see any of this like you know, dukes of hazard nonsense that you two are doing today we both checked on break with me today.
Speaker 2:Didn't even ring a head. What was that song?
Speaker 4:did you not get the memo?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Bobby.
Speaker 4:No I didn't.
Speaker 1:actually, I don't own any shirts that look like that. Anyway, it has been fun as always, though, it's been lovely to see you. Thank you so much, both of you. Have you had fun today?
Speaker 2:Yeah, loads of fun Always have fun doing this, love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very good brill, I'll actually prepare some icebreakers next time. And thank you all. If you're still here, uh, write to me. You deserve something and therapy. They'll all need therapy after this, um, but thank you all so much for joining us. Remember, tailoring Talk is on Instagram at Tailoring Talk Podcast. You can follow the show there for updates. We are also on YouTube at Roberto Revilla, london.
Speaker 1:The audio version goes out after the video version. So if you want to catch episodes of Tailoring Talk early like literally a couple of weeks early, because for some reason the video version is easier for me to edit than the audio version then subscribe to the YouTube channel. If you enjoy Tailoring Talk, you want to support the show, you can do so at the link in the show notes. Have a great week. Be good to each other. Take your tuxedos to the dry cleaners, be prepared. Get your martinis in the to the dry cleaners Be prepared. Get your martinis in the chillers. I've never made a martini before, but I'll get some Bollinger or something. And, yeah, be ready because Daniel Craig is coming. We're reviewing Casino Royale on the next episode of Tailoring Talks Bondathon. Bye-bye, see you later.
Speaker 3:Bye.
Speaker 2:That was so creepy, john, see you later, boys and girls, hey Georgie, come float with us.
